I guess we should probably make LDS predictions…

by JohnBowen

Here’s what I’ve got, but of course, the articles are only 10% of the fun! Who do you see advancing to the LCS?

New York vs. Minnesota:

Prediction: Twins in 4.

Why? Sorry Yankee fans, not seeing a repeat. Last year, the Yankees swept the Twins in a decisive manner but, as we all know, this is not 2009. Carsten Charles will win game 1, but after that, Minnesota’s superior overall rotation will be the difference. There are just too many question marks for the Bronx Bombers; will the Yanks get 1st half Hughes or 2nd half Hughes? Is Pettitte ready to go? Having the #1 offense in baseball certainly isn’t anything to sneeze at, so I could very well be proven wrong, but that offense isn’t going to be feasting off Kevin Millwood anymore. Robinson Cano has been a tremendous asset and is certainly a worthy MVP candidate, but he hasn’t been the guy that could carry the team since June. There’s nothing about the Twins that necessarily astounding (besides that one guy who hits like .800 every year despite crouching for half the game) but the overall pitching and bullpen is better (overall) while the lineup will hold it’s own. Not having Morneau is definitely a setback, but they’ve faired pretty well even without him.

Bold Prediction: Denard Span, who stole a respectable but not overwhelming 26 bases this season, will steal 5 off Jorge Posada.

Texas vs. Tampa Bay

Prediction: Rangers in 5

Why: Three times in the late ’90’s, the Rangers played in the ALDS, and three times they lost. The reason why? They had no pitching. Rick Helling? The only thing that guy was good for was proving, conclusively, once and for all, that anyone with Juan Gonzalez, Ivan Rodriguez, Rusty Greer and co. can win 20 games. Well, this is a more balanced team now. Pitching, pitching, pitching – the combination of Cliff Lee, Colby Lewis, Tommy Hunter, and CJ Wilson is the biggest reason for the resurgence of Ranger Nation (is that a thing?). Obviously the Rays are favored here, this lineup could very well be limited to a single-digit run total for the series against the front 4 from Texas. The deciding factor will be if Josh Hamilton will be back to his previous self after a month on the DL.

Bold Prediction: Game 1: Price vs. Lee, both complete games, combined 10 hits or fewer.

Atlanta vs. San Francisco

Prediction: Giants in 3

Why: The momentum factor, plain and simple. Since the start of September, the Giants have gone 19-10, catching and ultimately eclipsing San Diego. The Braves have been going exactly the wrong direction, under .500 and surrendering their division lead to Philadelphia. Tim Hudson has been the best pitcher in either series, but he has to wait until game 3 before throwing a pitch and he still has to go against Jonathon Sanchez. With the Braves OPSing just .684 over the last month, Bobby Cox has got to find some other ways to invigorate McCann, Heyward and their 23 closest friends besides the sad fact that he’s going to be assumed into baseball heaven after the World Series. I have it on good authority that that’s how it will go down.

Bold Prediction: The primary commentators will mention how “rookies played such a big role in making this happen,” or something along those lines, at the beginning of each game and at least once per game during the at-bats of Jason Heyward and/or Buster Posey.

Cincinatti vs. Philadelphia

Prediction: Phillies in 5

Why: This series features the top two offenses in the league, the probable MVP and the probable Cy Young. So you know it’s going to be a good one. There’s great pitching on both sides – the Phillies “Roytation” is decent, but their bullpen is an achilles heel, while Cincy is solidly above average in both areas. If you want extra-inning affairs, this is the series to watch. The Reds have to get to the Phillie starters early to win; if those starters get 7-8 innings a piece, the Reds odds are just too low. Ultimately, you gotta go with Philly; they missed their best overall player for 50 games and still had the best record in the Majors.

Bold Prediction: Halladay will suffer a 3-run homer to Joey Votto in the first inning of the first game, and then retire the next 19 in a row.

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361 Responses to “I guess we should probably make LDS predictions…”

  1. Chuck Says:

    Don’t know if you realized this John, but you have three of the four series ending on the road.

    Don’t see it.

  2. Chuck Says:

    On another thread, I picked New York, Texas, Philly and San Fran, all in four.

    Admittedly, the Texas pick is a sentimental one, I’m less comfortable about that one than any of the others.

    I don’t see any reason to change, however.

  3. Hartvig Says:

    I’ll repeat mine Philly in 3, San Fran in 4, Tampa & Minn in 5

    And let’s not be hatin’ on Rick Helling. He’s my homie! Well sort of anyways…

  4. Jim Says:

    Cut & Paste from the Twins post
    Jim Says:
    October 4th, at 9:08 am

    Strange things may happen, but its hard to pick against the Phillies starting pitching in any series. I like Philadelphia in a sweep,
    Texas in 4 – Tampa simply isn’t scoring consistently.
    Minn in 5 – This is partly a sentimental pick, but the Yanks don’t look that good and the pitching beyond CC and Hughes is a mess.
    San Fran 5 – They’re playing well at the right time and the Braves aren’t.

  5. brautigan Says:

    Sigh. No more meaningful boxscores for another 6 months.

    Winter sucks.

  6. Chuck Says:

    No worries, Braut, I’ll add you to my update list from the AFL.

    You have Skype?

  7. Cameron Says:

    Not sure if I’ve given a full prediction slate, but here. I’m terrible at picking lengths, so I’ll just say who and why.

    Yankees over Twins
    The Yanks have CC, Hughes, and Pettitte. I’ve got confidence in them, and that front three plus the lineup will do it for them.

    Rangers over Rays
    TB and Texas both have stellar starting AND relief pitching, so that’s a wash. It comes to Texas, and when you have black holes at catcher and first base and you can still go head-to-head with any lineup in the league, that’s impressive.

    Braves over Giants
    I’m a Giants fan, but this is a PURE sentiment pick from me being a longtime Atlanta fan and the fact that it’s Bobby’s last year. Sorry, but my heart won’t let me say anything else.

    Reds over Phillies
    Love them Reds. The lineups are a wash, the rotation is a wash because the Roys are on short rest whereas Reds have starters they can plug if it goes 4 or 5. The Phillies bullpen is beyond atrocious, Cincy has Cordero and Chapman. If the Phillies don’t sweep, they’re hosed.

    I’d make my detailed LCS and WS predictions now *Reds over Rangers* but I don’t want too much egg on my face by analyzing matches that aren’t set yet.

  8. Hossrex Says:

    (without looking at any predictions here, or on TV)

    Hoss’ 2010 post season prediction:

    Division Series’:

    Yankees in 4
    Tampa in 5
    Phillies in 3
    Braves in 5

    League Championship Series’:

    Yankees in 5
    Phillies in 7 (after extra innings, and walk-off heroics from Jayson Werth)

    World Series:

    Yankees in 4 (although all four games will be close, and surprisingly low scoring).

  9. Mike Felber Says:

    Yankees in 5, Rangers in 5. Reds in 4, Giants in…max 4.

  10. Bob Says:

    Rays over Rangers
    Yanks over Twins
    Reds over Philly
    Atlanta over San Fran

  11. Cameron Says:

    Whoo! More Braves fans!

    Reds over Rangers is my gut pick, but what I want to see is Atlanta over… Minnesota. Payback for ‘91.

  12. Seven Says:

    Been waiting for the prediction post…

    I picked the Rays over the Braves back in April so I guess I should stick with that?

    Gun to my head right now though, I’m going




    ugh and I’m rooting so hard against that. phuck the phillies

  13. brautigan Says:


    no, I don’t have Skype.

    Do you plan on going to many games this fall? I sure like AFL, it’s a great time of year for a baseball fan jonesing for baseball.

    You’re going to have to get me your address. I have a Ryan Sandberg autograph I’ve been meaning to send you.

  14. Chuck Says:

    Oh, yeah.

    I put in for media credentials but haven’t heard back yet, which really isn’t unusual considering the season starts in, like, six days.

    Even if I don’t have them, I’ll be going once a week or so.

  15. Cameron Says:

    I used to like the Phillies, but the media’s really started sucking the Phils’ collective cocks, so I’m with Seven.

  16. Jim Says:

    Saw a note that the Nats won’t be sending Bryce Harper to the AFL. I can’t imagine why they would even contemplate sending a 17 YO there even if he were ripping the cover off the ball in the rookie league.

  17. Chuck Says:


    Shoot me an email and I’ll get you the address;

  18. Chuck Says:

    I think it bears mentioning here about the Rangers making the postseason so quickly after installing their new pitching philosophy two years ago.

    Both the Rays and now Texas have put together what they believe to be the proper way to develop young, strong and HEALTHY pitchers, capable of staying both physically and mentally strong throughout a season, regardless if they are in the majors or in Class A.

    When you now look at the quality of pitching in Kansas City’s system, and in Florida’s and even Seattle’s, it’s not hard to see there is a changing of the guard on how pitching will evolve over the next few seasons.

    It’s not out with the old and in with the new, it’s out with the new and in with the old.

  19. Cameron Says:

    Don’t forget San Francisco with developing Lincecum, Cain, Sanchez, and Bumgarner internally as well. They got rid of Bonds and built ground-up. Only took 3 years, not bad.

  20. Jim Says:

    JohnBowen, your bold prediction about game one of the Rays/Rangers is well, to this point half accurate. DPrice is getting spanked.

  21. Chuck Says:

    While I agree 110% with his decision, I wonder how much crap Joe Maddon’s going to take after the game on James Shields pitching Game Two?

  22. Hartvig Says:

    Price will dominate. check

    Texas catching can’t hit. check

    I think I’ll go out & buy some stock in Studebaker

  23. Jim Says:

    He’s Big Game James, isn’t he?

  24. Hossrex Says:

    Jim: “He’s Big Game James, isn’t he?”

    Is there an athlete named James who DOESN’T develop the nickname “big game”?

  25. Hartvig Says:


  26. Hossrex Says:

    I GUARANTEE that his dad… Rutledge Leslie Hornblower Barnfather… called him “Big Game James”.

    You see Rutledge (his father of course) was a slave owner who brought a man over from Africa named “Mosi Tatupu”, which loosely translates to “Big Game Tatupu”. After “westernization”, his name was changed to “Tatupu Worthy”.

    Then a hundred years later a young man named James Worthy was drafted by the Lakers, and took his traditional family nickname “Big Game” (or “Mosi”).

    And that’s the story of how I became a REAL boy.

  27. Chuck Says:

    Halladay has a no-hitter through six.

  28. Hossrex Says:

    The guys a stud. I haven’t had the privilege of seeing Halladay pitch more than a handful of times, but it’s just genuinely enjoyable to watch him.

    The guy pounds the strikezone like it’s his prison bitch.

  29. Chuck Says:

    68 pitches, 51 strikes.

    You would think a guy who throws that many strikes would be easy to hit.

    His pitches move like a prison bitch.

  30. Bob Says:

    They say pitching wins in October. Lee and Halladay.

  31. JohnBowen Says:

    For those who missed it (doubt any of you did), Halladay not only threw a no-hitter but contributed an RBI single.


  32. Chuck Says:

    I did..technically, anyway.

    I watched on Gameday.

  33. Hartvig Says:

    I only saw the first 2 innings- went out for dinner with an old friend & his family at a Thai place that didn’t have television.
    I just wanted to be sure I got back in time to catch Mn-NY. Just my damned luck. It figures though. The only time I got Halladay for my Fantasy Baseball team was 2004.

  34. Hartvig Says:

    And by the way, funny stuff Rex

  35. Cameron Says:

    >_> Fuckin’ Phillies, no-hittin’ my Reds.

    …While I was at work so I couldn’t watch it…

  36. Chuck Says:

    I thought it was “Phuckin’ Phillies”?

    If Minnesota eliminates the Yankees, Girardi’s not coming back.

    They say there’s a silver lining to all tragedies, so I guess that’s it for me.

  37. Cameron Says:

    Girardi’s probably not coming back anyway. I dunno, something tells me his ass is grass after this season and they either try and kiss Torre’s ass to come back or look at their coaches.

    …Or hire Willie Randolph, he played for the Yankees a lot and he’s looking for a managerial job.

  38. Cameron Says:

    Oh, and let’s tally this year shall we?

    Roy Halladay TWICE (Perfect Game, Postseason no-no)
    Dallas Braden (Perfect Game)
    Ubaldo Jiminez
    Edwin Jackson
    Matt Garza

    That makes 6 no-hitters for 2010. The last time there were that many no-nos in a year was 1991 with seven pitched by…

    Nolan Ryan (7th no-hitter)
    Tommy Greene
    Bob Milacki, Mike Flanagan, Mark Williamson, Gregg Olson (Combined no-hitter)
    Dennis Martinez (Perfect Game)
    Wilson Alvarez
    Bret Saberhagen
    Kent Mercker, Mark Wohlers, and Alejandro Pena (combined no-hitter)

  39. Hossrex Says:

    Wilson Alverez had a no-hitter?

    lol… really highlights the talent level (i.e. flukiness) required to pitch one, eh?

  40. John Says:

    Talk about flukey…

    in 1993, Alverez went 15-8 with a 2.95 ERA. Pretty awesome year right?

    He led the league in walks, resulting in a 1.396 WHIP.

    Now that’s what we call an outlier.

  41. Lefty33 Says:

    “Wilson Alverez had a no-hitter?”

    Yes he did. I was at that game.

    1991 in the miserable former home of the Orioles, Memorial Stadium.

    The things that I remember from that game were that he walked five guys, he was only making his second ML start, and that several guys like Dewey Evans, David Segui, and Devereaux all hit rockets that day that just happened to be right at people.

    Alvarez kind of stumbled into his no-hitter. Dominant he was not.

  42. Bob Says:

    Dioner Navarro left the Rays, despite the Rays wanting him to stay with the organization and work out. His days are numbered there. Lucky if they get a c prospect for him. Probably be non-tendered.

  43. Cameron Says:

    So Lefty, it looked more like Edwin Jackson’s no-hitter than Roy Halladay’s then?

  44. Cameron Says:

    And prior to his no-hitter, Wilson Alvarez had a career ERA of infinity.

  45. Bob Says:

    I am laughing my ass off at some of the comments MLBTR has on the ” Multiple Teams Preparing Push For Rasmus” thread.

  46. Chuck Says:

    Bob, you do realize the original name for “MLBTradeRumors” was actually “MLB ComedyCentral” but they had to change it for copyright reasons?

  47. Bob Says:

    Generally speaking the authors are fine, it’s just some of the posts got so far away from baseball I had to laugh. And let me say this. I think Canada is a great country. My first legal beer was in Canada as the legal drinking age is 19, as opposed to 21 here in the States. Are there any readers who live in or near Windsor Ontario? And if so, does Mothers Pizza still exist?
    And the Cardinals picked up the option on Pujols.

  48. brautigan Says:

    Bob: It think the Rays made a huge mis-judgement with Navarro. No one can say Kelly Shoppach was an upgrade (Navarro is a better receiver) and if you think Jaso and Shoppach are the answer, then there will be no surprise when the Rays are swept and do not make the playoffs next year. Especially if Maddon goes through with starting James Shield in the next game. He has been toxic of late, if no one has noticed.

  49. Bob Says:

    Just a sad story. And speaking of sad stories, has anyone else heard that Robbie Alomar has AIDS?

  50. Chuck Says:

    “Just a sad story.”

    What is

    “has anyone else heard that Robbie Alomar has AIDS?”


  51. Bob Says:

    Perhaps sad is the wrong word, but I was refering to the facr that the Rays and Navarro are at odds. If the Sox blow chunks, I need some other team to combat the Yankees. Although I grant you that he is not a difference maker.

  52. Cameron Says:

    I’d known about Alomar’s HIV status for a while. I wasn’t sure if he had it or not because it was brought up in a lawsuit where he slept with someone without saying he had it and the case got thrown out, I wasn’t sure if it was on the grounds of him being HIV negative, which is what Alomar claimed.

  53. Bob Says:

    Since this topic was supposed to be about playoff teams, the Rangers DFA’d Rich Harden. Wonder what team will sign him to a minor-league deal.

  54. Hartvig Says:

    Geez, $6.5 million. He was fantastic in 05 & 08 but it’s a hell of a risk. I guess if someone can afford a $5 million dollar mistake maybe it’s worth a shot to see if you can catch lightening in a bottle. Might even be worth a shot for my Tigers. I don’t see them going after Lee even with all the money they have coming off the books.

  55. Chuck Says:

    If I walked outside my front door and found $100 bill in my driveway, and all I could do with it was place a bet on any team to sign Cliff Lee, I would bet it all on….


  56. Bob Says:

    Would not bother me at all. But why are people ruling out Texas? Good nucleus, good management with Nolan Ryan. They could make a legit offer. Perhaps the stadium would mess with his stats.

  57. Chuck Says:

    I’m not ruling out Texas at all, I think the odds are maybe swinging a little bit towards them.

    Lee wants #1 money, five, six years at $20 mil per.

    And he wants a full no trade.

    Not many teams can match either offer, much less both.

    I think if Ryan goes out and gets a big name pitcher to go with him, or maybe they move Feliz to the rotation and get a decent closer, Lee may stay there.

  58. brautigan Says:

    I’m not sure why the Red Sox don’t make an effort to sign Navarro. He is only 26, he is a decent defensive catcher, and he has a good batting eye. He won’t hit 20 homeruns, but, he’s worth the money if he can return to his 2008 season offensive stats.

  59. brautigan Says:

    I see where the Giants left Barry Zito off their roster. Why didn’t Tampa Bay keep Jeremy Hellickson on the roster and jetison James Shields? Sometimes, veteran leadership is overated. Don’t get me wrong, I like Shields, but it’s apparent in the past two months, he is not missing enough bats and the hitters have been hitting him like he was a sore armed wiffle ball pitcher.

  60. Cameron Says:

    What’s Feliz look like in long saves, anyone notice? The reason they have Feliz closing is because there’s concerns about him getting gassed in multi-inning situations. The reason most guys get converted to relieving.

    I dunno, I’d give Neftali a chance, but keep my eye on him. I think if Texas wins the World Series, there’s going to be a great bargaining chip to keep that team in place with Lee at the front. The team’s also real friendly with Lee and he seems to take a real liking to CJ Wilson as a student. He may take a discount to 5 at 18, which Texas could swing.

  61. John Says:

    Nicely turned double play just now, initiated by Pavano.

    Question – why are most pitchers so horrendously awful at making that throw? Pavano was right on the money, but it seems like, for every good toss, pitchers throw two either off the base or into CF.

  62. Cameron Says:

    Because coaches aren’t emphasizing defense to pitchers anymore? Just guessing.

  63. Chuck Says:

    If Mariano Rivera could make that play, he’d have one more ring.

  64. John Says:

    The Giants left Zito off the roster in lieu of their second-highest paid player, Aaron Rowand.

    Certainly highlights the brilliance of Sabean, doesn’t it? Heck, I’ll root against the Giants just so we don’t have to hear about how he’s somehow not an idiot.

    Anyway, leaving Zito off the roster seems stupid. Obviously he hasn’t been a very good pitcher but he could probably contribute out of the bullpen better than, for example, Mota or Affeldt. I mean, right?

    Chuck, so true.

  65. Chuck Says:

    It’s hard to criticize a GM when his team is in the playoffs, and Zito sucks.

    You don’t need four starters in a five game series.

  66. John Says:


    Thing is, Sabean made some nice moves this year.

    Huff? Brilliant pickup.
    Burrell? No one thought that was a good pick-up at the time and it worked out great.

    But then you’re still reminded of how he signed Barry Zito to the BIGGEST DEAL EVER given to a pitcher (at the time), or gave Rowand more money than any Giant position player not named Bonds because he ran into a chain-linked fence. Or trading Liriano and Nathan for 1 season of AJ Pierzinski.

    Overall, I would say his track record is against him. Hard to argue against what the farm has produced though; how much of that is Sabean, I’m not sure. Incites?

  67. John Says:


  68. Chuck Says:

    While I agree, John, it’s still hard to argue with what he’d done over the past couple of seasons.

    It’s like Dayton Moore. He got trashed for some moves he made early on which didn’t work, and he realized maybe is methods weren’t going to be successful and changed.

    Now, the Royals have arguably the best farm system in baseball.

  69. Jim Says:

    braut: It won’t surprise anyone if the RS pick up Navarro, particularly if the can’t sign Martinez.

    John: Pitcher defense. This year the RS pitchers just sucked fielding and throwing and it became a topic of conversation here. The best conjecture I heard as to why is that the teams no longer work on fielding and throwing, or at least don’t work on it enough as they are afraid that throwing at odd angles might result in an injury.

    While it seems dumb to me it is consistent with pitchers being babied.

    I know I picked the Rangers because the Rays’ can have trouble scoring, but this is ridiculous.

  70. Jim Says:

    Joe Mauer is having the type of playoff series that ARod once had.

  71. Bob Says:

    Difference is Minnesota will never boo him!!! And I agree with Jim that the Sox may look at Navarro if he is non-tendered and Martinez leaves.

  72. Chuck Says:

    I’m the first one to say offense doesn’t matter much for a catcher, but anyone hitting .194/.280 shouldn’t be drawing a paycheck at any level.

  73. Jim Says:

    “…but anyone hitting .194/.280 shouldn’t be drawing a paycheck at any level”

    True, so considering such a player is an apt commentary on the quality of catchers at the ML and high minor league levels.

  74. Chuck Says:

    The Red Sox actually have one of the top minor league catchers, his name is Ryan Lavarnway.

    He’s probably a year or so away depending on his defense and if he can maintain his offense in AAA, so, realistically, the Sox might get by with someone like AJ Pierzynski on a two year contract.

    He’s playing in the AFL so I should get to see him a couple of times.


  75. Cameron Says:

    >_> He’s no Wil Myers…

    Plus I have my doubts about anyone with a wierd name. The strangest last name in the Hall of Fame is Yount or Schoendienst (but the game had a lot of Polish guys playing that era). To me, it’s just a signifier. Guys with funny last names, and Lavarnway is weird.

    It’s weird, but at least I can defend it.

    And about Dayton Moore, John’s right. The guys in KC were especially tough on Moore and I think we still agree that Moore can’t swing a major league trade to save his life.

  76. Chuck Says:

    Zach Grienke to the Yankees for Jesus Montero, Joba Chamberlain and Brett Gardner.

  77. Jim Says:

    Grienke for two guys who Chuck says suck and a probable career DH. If he proves he can hit ML pitching. Sounds like a talk radio trade proposal. I’m sure the Padres will send the BoSox AGon for Dustin Richardson, Lars Anderson and Josh Reddick. Sheesh.

  78. Chuck Says:

    They do suck.

    You get a stud pitcher for three pieces of shit, what’s wrong with that?

  79. John Says:

    How are we figuring that Gardner sucks? He’s fine. Everyone was worried about him at the start of the year and he ended up having a terrific season. You’d like to have more power from a LF but still…damn good year.

    It would still be a stupid trade though, at least for the Royals. And I don’t think even Dayton Moore – who, by the way, thought that Gil Meche was worth 50 million – would even consider making that deal.

  80. Cameron Says:

    He’s got a small bat, but runs like a Kenyan sprinter and he’s got the best range of any LF in MLB. Dude’s a great left fielder.

  81. Chuck Says:

    “How are we figuring that Gardner sucks? He’s fine. Everyone was worried about him at the start of the year and he ended up having a terrific season. You’d like to have more power from a LF but still…damn good year.”

    Look at his stats.

    REALLY look at them.

    He didn’t have that good a year.

    And it no longer matters starting next year, anyway.

  82. John Says:

    Chuck: “Look at his stats.”

    You hate stats…I’m confused.

    “REALLY look at them.”

    Ok fine…

    He was eighth in the AL in OBP. #1 on his team. That’s pretty good. He also stole 47 bases at above an 80% clip. It’s just a couple things, but can we at least concede he was *pretty* good?

    By comparison, Captain Clutch, who’ll make 20M next year, was 34th in OBP…and 50th in OPS.

    “He didn’t have that good a year.”

    No one said he was gonna be Ted Williams in leftfield.

    Cashman said he had a limited budget for a LF, he stuck with Gardner, and Gardner was pretty terrific. Hell, just tonight, his speed in the OF limited an otherwise double to a single.

    He reached base at a terrific clip, stole a bunch of bases, played serviceable defense…what’s not to like? No, he didn’t jack 68 homers, but he was approximately as good as Damon had been for like 1/20 the price.

    Also, didn’t you bet someone that Tex would have a higher batting average? Oops…

    “And it no longer matters starting next year, anyway.”

    50$ says that Gardner is an opening day starter for the Yankees next year.

  83. Cameron Says:

    Cashman will want Lee over Crawford, EXPECIALLY if Lee keeps that magic his first game did. The Yankees play all year to build to October. Why do you think Mo’s just very good in the regular season and then proceeds to make a walking punchline out of every hitter in the league come postseason? Pettitte cranks it up every October as well, Jeter steps it up a notch. He’s the player the Yankees love.

  84. Chuck Says:

    I hate stupid stats.

    Stats that matter I think tell more than anything.

    That’s why I never look at stupid stats.

    Although it must be noted Gardner and Damon had the same WAR this year. :)

    “50$ says that Gardner is an opening day starter for the Yankees next year.”

    I wrote that down, so next year when he’s not I can bring it up to you like once a fucking week for the rest of the season.

  85. Shawn Says:

    First Lee, then Halladay now Lincecum. Even Pettite had a good start today and the NY media was so worried after CC the Yankees were screwed. Awesome pitching this postseason.

  86. Chuck Says:

    “Cashman will want Lee over Crawford,”

    “He’s the player the Yankees love”

    Cashman may not be the sharpest tool in the shed, but even he knows its financial suicide to have two $20 million a year pitchers on his staff.

    Lee’s had two or three great seasons of late, but the truth is he’s an early 30’s lefty with a history of arm problems and while his stats might warrant a decent contract, he’s not worth the risk of a five or six year guarantee with full no trade.

    Especially considering what the Yanks went through with Carl Pavano and are going through now with Burnett.

    They’ll sign Crawford to a big contract, and Lee will either stay in Texas, or go to Detroit.

  87. Cameron Says:

    You’re forgetting Cashman also signed AJ Burnett to big money and expected him not to suck. By default, that makes Cashman a fucking moron.

    You know who keeps two 20 million pichers on the roster? …That’s right, fucking morons.

  88. Cameron Says:

    And the Carl Pavano one, thanks for reminding me of that catastrophe. Cashman has a history of jumping all over big-name starters. I see him making a play.

  89. Shawn Says:

    And Roger Clemens to a one year 20 something million a few years back, that was gold.

  90. Cameron Says:

    Mostly deferred and he came in past halfway through the season, so it was only pro-rated down to about 6 million for the games he actually played.

    …But yeah, it was still fucking stupid.

  91. Chuck Says:

    The Yankees need Carl Crawford.

    They don’t need Cliff Lee.

    That, in itself, should satisfy the curiosity.

    And whose to say Cliff Lee wants New York?

    He’ll be the number two starter, at best, and will be like #10 on the popularity chart.

    He wants a guaranteed five, six years with a no trade. He has said that’s more important than the money.

    He’s on his fourth team in less than two years. He has young kids.

    He wants stability.

    He also wants to be “the man”.

    He’s not going to be that in New York, unless he signs with the Mets.

    If people want to read these mopes on MLBTradeRumors and consider them reliable, fine.

    Some of them actually are.

    But this thing about Cliff Lee being a slam dunk for New York and everyone living happily ever after is nothing more than speculation.

  92. Cameron Says:

    Oh trust me, I’m not saying that Cliff Lee heading to New York’s a good thing at all, it’d be pretty much a guaranteed bust and the biggest fuckhead move you could make.

    …But this is the same GM who made said Burnett, Clemens, and Pavano deals. Not saying it’s a guarantee, but there’s a history. Those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

    Gun to my head, I’d say he stays in Texas though.

  93. Cameron Says:

    Also, the Mets are thinking about replacing Omar Minaya with Josh Byrnes. I didn’t think the Mets could collectively become any dumber, but when you find someone MORE incompetent than Omar Fucking Minaya… Congrats, you deserve some sort of Golden Dumbass Award.

  94. John Says:

    “Although it must be noted Gardner and Damon had the same WAR this year.”

    No they didn’t.

    Don’t waste time with WAR (you don’t anyway), just look at the fact that Gardner reaches base at a higher clip, slugs a bit lower, and plays far better defense than Damon. Then consider their salaries. Good move overall by the Yankees, and I don’t think they’ll express as big a desire for Crawford as you’re saying he will. They need pitching more than a LF.

  95. Cameron Says:

    To be fair, they probably need more relief help than starting pitching. They’d be better going after Rafael Soriano than Cliff Lee.

    …And that’s about the only team I’ll say that about.

  96. Bob Says:

    Chuck, there is no such thing as financial suicide when you have the Yankees account. And it appears they will see Lee up close and personal after the Yanks beat Minnesota and the Rangers beat the Rays. And I hope I eat crow. Rooting for the Twins and Rays. Rooting for the Reds in the N.L.

  97. Bob Says:

    Here is something interesting. A scout told Jim Callis that Mike Trout and Mickey Mantle are actually similar. Way to put pressure on a young kid.

  98. John Says:

    Here’s the thing…

    With Gardner playing as well as he has, LF is not a major priority for the Yankees.

    LF is a priority for the Angels. And the Red Sox. And the White Sox. Let them put up big money for Crawford.

    The Yankees’ issues would be better addressed by going out and bolstering the bullpen a little and grabbing a reliable starter. Maybe not Lee, but someone who can still be a reliable number 2-3 guy with Pettite getting old and Burnett sucking and Vazquez…well, is he a FA? Who cares. He was awful. Right now, your only two set-in-stones are Sabathia and Hughes.

  99. Bob Says:

    And that’s why theYanks will bid on Lee.

  100. Bob Says:

    If the Yankees win it all, Pettite will retire.

  101. Chuck Says:

    “A scout told Jim Callis that Mike Trout and Mickey Mantle are actually similar.”

    Any scout old enough to have seen Mantle can’t remember to unzip his fly before he takes a leak, much less how the Mick played as a 19 year old fifty eight years ago.

    Will the Yanks make a play for Lee?

    I would assume so, no reason why not.

    Is he their number one target?

    No way.

  102. Bob Says:

    Speaking of Jim Callis, did people see where BA ranked Andrew Brackman higher than Kyle Gibson?

  103. Chuck Says:

    At the beginning of the season, yes.


    No way.

  104. Chuck Says:

    Holy shit..egg on my face.


  105. Bob Says:

    Fried, scrambled or hard boiled?

  106. Chuck Says:

    Any way you’d like me to wear them, Bob.


  107. Chuck Says:

    I’m going to see him next week, he’s got some ’splainin’ to do.

  108. Thomas Wayne Says:

    My computer crashed and gave me the finger the other day…and now I no longer have the link to the dashboard to post articles on Dugout Central. I remember my log in and password…I just don’t have the site.
    Could you email it to me…I can’t seem to get ahold of Adam…he’s vanished into thin air.

  109. Hartvig Says:

    Interesting read on B-R about payrolls.

    Jeter & ARod make as much as the entire Rangers opening day payroll.

    New York’s Game 1 infield (I think including catcher) & starting pitcher make more than 6 of the 7 playoff teams.

    No wonder a beer at a ballgame costs so damned much.

  110. Bob Says:

    Hartvig, thanks for the tip. I also thought the article about which is longer, replay or the argument was interesting.

  111. Bob Says:

    So far this post-season, there have been 3 shity calls. The stolen base by Posey, the strike to Berkman and the ball caught by Gred Golson ruled a trap.
    Baseball, thanks to the Mitchell report, rid itself of steroids. Now we need a umpire report by instant replay to fix this mess. Any other thoughts? T.G.I.F.!!!

    Bob O

  112. Chuck Says:

    I tend to think replays would be longer.

    Baseball doesn’t need replay, they need better umpires.

  113. Chuck Says:

    Believe it or not, baseball does have an umpire review board. It’s headed by former umpire Steve Palermo, who reports to Frank Robinson at the MLB offices.

    I’ve seen Palermo at AFL and Rookie League games, ostensibly scouting umpires.

    Doesn’t appear they do much, does it?

  114. Cameron Says:

    I’m with Bob. We see these replays at home all the time, how hard would it be to get a TV on the sidelines where the umps could review the stuff that went down a minute ago. It’s not that hard.

  115. Hartvig Says:

    In general I’m opposed to instant replay.

    Pablo Sandoval looks like a pumpkin in those ugly damned uniforms.

  116. Chuck Says:

    “Pablo Sandoval looks like a pumpkin in those ugly damned uniforms”

    It’s not the uniform.


  117. Hossrex Says:

    Chuck: “Believe it or not, baseball does have an umpire review board.”

    It’s clear by your tone that you agree with what I’m about to say… but a review board that doesn’t actually do anything about a problem isn’t much of a review board. It strikes me as a political organization which “volunteers” to police itself with self-supervision… then never does anything about anyone who’s obviously a problem.

    The saddest thing about all this for me is that Jim Joyce has become the rally cry for people looking for a change in how baseball games are officiated… and while I fully agree that was a bullshit call… at its core, that’s one of the things I DON’T have a huge problem with.

    Umpires will always make mistakes. I hate it, you hate it, I bitch about it… we ALL bitch about it… but mistakes will happen. I think the mistakes happen at far too regular a clip, but regardless of what we do, human beings will make human mistakes.

    I can live with that.

    My problem is with the Angel Hernandez’s… the Country Joe West’s… the Chris Guccione’s… the Tim McClelland’s… the guys who’ve been doing the job so long they’ve lost sight of why they’re out there. They think respect is more important than the game. They think attitude is more important than the game. They think showmanship is more important than the game. They think THEY’RE more important than the game.

    I don’t care about mistakes. I care about the game.

    The umpires who need to be removed are obvious to everyone.

    Yet it doesn’t happen.

    The question is why?

    Why leave those obvious bad apples? Why let them spoil the rest of the bag?


    What possible reason could baseball have for kowtowing it’s subordinates?

    That’s the million dollar question, and you NEVER see it.


    Just ask yourself that.

    Why doesn’t anything happen to those guys?


  118. Bob Says:

    Because they are in a union. Pure and simple.

  119. Bob Says:

    By the way, the Red Sox removed 3 guys from their 40-roster.
    Catchers Dusty Brown and Kevin Cash, plus pitcher Robert Manuel. Perhaps Ryan Lavarnway, whom Chuck mentioned recently, starts the season in Pawtucket.

  120. Bob Says:
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  122. Bob Says:

    Just fuck me. The players, umpires and league officials are going to meet Dec 3rd to discuss the conduct of some umps, plus instant replay. Sorry for the incorrect links.

  123. Lefty33 Says:

    “Because they are in a union. Pure and simple.”

    That has something to do with it Bob but it’s not that simple.

    It also because unless there is a Congressional threat to Baseball’s anti-trust exemption, change comes to Baseball in geologic time.

    The NFL is the “hip league” that always tries to stay ahead of the curve and Baseball is the league that is always worried about how things used to be done and how to retain historical integrity for everything even if it’s an outdated and backwards process.

    People for the last ten years have primarily whined about three things in Baseball:

    1. Drugs

    2. Umpires

    3. HOF Voting

    Number one got done only because Congress embarrassed Bud and threatened his Holy Grail exemption status and two and three have gone no where because Bud won’t allow it and doesn’t see a need.

    I think he operates partially off of the premise that there is no such thing as bad publicity.

    Good/Bad publicity=interest=ratings/ticket sales=Baseball/Players/Owners all make more $$$$$ than ever.

    What is his incentive to change anything?

    Unless Bud has a major change of heart he has made it clear that three things won’t happen on his watch:

    1. More replay

    2. Reinstating Pete Rose

    3. Better umpiring

  124. Chuck Says:

    Of course you’re right, Rex.

    The old-timer’s are protected by the union and seniority and they know no one can touch them, so no reason to hustle down the line to get a foul/fair ball call correct, no reason to have a consistent strike zone, and no reason to not antagonize a manager or player into an argument.

    Joe West CAN’T hustle to get a call right, he’d have to call out the trainer.

    And if anyone thinks things will get better with instant replay, you haven’t really been paying attention.

    It will become the biggest fustercluck since free agency.

  125. Bob Says:

    Chuck, if I was an umpire, I would want it. I would not want to be Dekinger or Joyce, knowing what I did. I really do not think it will be all that hard to implement.
    I can live with the mistakes, it is the fact that baseball has a solution and continues to say fu to it that pisses me off. But now that a # of players are bitching about it, Selig has no choice.

  126. brautigan Says:

    You can complain all you want about the umpiring, but at least it’s not the NBA where inept, corrupt and awful officiating is the rule, not the exception.

    Leave baseball the way it is. The Umps get the calls the majority of the time, and a bad call may happen occasionally however, I also like the element of human nature, not technology in my game.

  127. Cameron Says:

    I don’t see why baseball’s so worried about its antitrust status. The NFL is far more profitable than baseball and it operates under a legal monopoly status. They don’t have antitrust and are pretty much hogtied by congress because of their monopoly status and they’re still rich.

    …Oh wait, baseball isn’t run by people competent enough to profit under that many restrictions.

  128. Lefty33 Says:

    “But now that a # of players are bitching about it, Selig has no choice.”

    We’ll see Bob.

    Personally I think that full replay (short of balls and strikes) will come to Baseball and anyone who disputes that is an idiot.

    Do I think it should? No. But will it? Of course. The writing is on the wall and it is indisputable and irrefutable.

    The Commissioner after Bud, unless he has bigger balls, will likely not confront the umpires union either and then the choice is obvious.

    Baseball has to do something.

    Braut I agree that the umps get it right most of the time but I see more and more guys who are not getting it right more and more of the time on the major and especially the minor league level.

    Baseball is embarrassing itself by not making a move either way.

    And if you’re not going to fix the umps than replay is the only alternative.

    My bet is that Bud lays an egg on it and the Commissioner that succeeds Bud makes replay his first official act.

  129. Lefty33 Says:

    “I don’t see why baseball’s so worried about its antitrust status.”

    It’s the backbone of what allows the MLB to be the MLB. Study up Cameron.

    There’s a reason why Bud sang like a canary after being called to Washington.

    You can’t get that old fart to move that fast for anyone else on anything else.

  130. Chuck Says:

    “My bet is that Bud lays an egg on it and the Commissioner that succeeds Bud makes replay his first official act.”

    People said essentially the same thing when baseball fired Fay Vincent and brought in Selig, and look what happened.

    Selig’s right up there with Frick and Chandler as the most inept commissioner’s ever.

  131. Chuck Says:

    And he’ll probably end up in the HOF.

    It’s all about the bottom line.

  132. Lefty33 Says:

    “It’s all about the bottom line.”

    Amen Chuck.


  133. Lefty33 Says:

    “Selig’s right up there with Frick and Chandler as the most inept commissioner’s ever.”

    As for inept Commissioner’s, I’ll still take Ueberroth hands down.

    One word: Collusion

    What Ueberroth did with Collusion I, II, and III was more detrimental to the Game and stupider for a commissioner’s involvement than anything Selig has done or will do.

    Not saying that Bud is good for Baseball, except in the financial sense because no one has ever been better for Baseball in that realm, but Ueberroth’s involvement with the owners in Collusion made him and the Commissioner’s office look as sleazy and greasy as anything sports, short of Don King in Boxing, has ever seen.

  134. Chuck Says:

    I don’t buy into the collusion argument.

    I mean, what the owners were doing then is no different than what guys like Scott Boras do today.

    Collusion’s been a part of baseball going way back.

    Just ask any African-American before 1947.

  135. Cameron Says:

    I really don’t understand why MLB is so scared of losing the antitrust. Again, the NFL has LEGALLY been declared a monopoly and operate under a fuckload of restrictions and the average team pays more than baseball to their whole organization.

    …And they still make more money, despite the fact they have no antitrust exemption and they put on exhibition sports and are pretty much operating the same way as the MLB, the only thing they got their monoploy status obtained by was the TV situation by forcing the old USFL games off.

    The NFL operates under the same tactics and got caught and they work around their restrictions and make a profit. Unless they legally aren’t allowed to operate without the antitrust, and considering the NFL can there’s a great precedent they can use to defend themselves, then Bud’s scared of nothing important.

  136. Chuck Says:


  137. Lefty33 Says:

    “I don’t buy into the collusion argument.”

    Well I don’t buy into the African American argument as that was not limited to just Baseball but society as a whole.

    (Still does to a point)

    “I mean, what the owners were doing then is no different than what guys like Scott Boras do today.”

    The difference is that the Commissioner is not working directly with Scott Boras to fuck over teams to pay his clients more.

    When the commissioner of a sport, who is supposed to remain “unbiased”, is actively working with one side to suppress the wages and ability of the other side to make money and find employment for its members than you have a major problem.

    It’s one thing for the owners to be doing it to the players. But when you have the supposedly unbiased governing body of your sport actively trying to manipulate the working terms of FA and the CBA that crosses a line and the Federal Courts of the day agreed.

  138. Hossrex Says:

    Lefty33: “Well I don’t buy into the African American argument as that was not limited to just Baseball but society as a whole.

    You can argue that it wasn’t collusion in the same sense as the collusion we’re talking about… but segregation in baseball was an unofficial “policy” in baseball, which was unofficially agreed upon by ownership, which prevented a significant segment of the American population from participating.

    That’s the literal definition of collusion.

    Lefty: “When the commissioner of a sport, who is supposed to remain “unbiased”, is actively working with one side to suppress the wages and ability of the other side to make money and find employment for its members than you have a major problem.”

    Wait… what?

    Who said the commissioner was supposed to remain “unbiased”?

    The commissioner of baseball has merely to maintain the best interest of baseball, and it doesn’t even require spectacular mental gymnastics to come to the conclusion that “the best interest of baseball is whatever generates revenue for baseball”.

    The commissioner doesn’t work for you or I. The commissioner doesn’t work for the players.

    The commissioner works for THE GAME, and as much as I hate the scummy little used car salesman, and as much as I think what he’s doing will bankrupt baseball in the LONG term, and as much as under/over reaction to various topics seems abhorrent… THE GAME is more profitable than ever.

    You’re closer to the mark if you think of the commissioner as a “SUPER owner”. You have 30 independent states, each with their own governing executives, and it’s Bud’s job to make sure those old fat white men all play nice with each other, and synergize the dynamic to maximize the relevant throughput thus ensuring further synergy and even more maximized dynamic.

    Didn’t make sense?

    Yeah… you’re not really supposed to know WHAT the fuck Allen H does.

  139. Chuck Says:

    “The commissioner doesn’t work for the players”

    “The commissioner works for THE GAME”

    The players ARE the game.

  140. Hartvig Says:

    Total derail but Texas brings in Randy Choate to pitch to David Murphy. First pitch he hits a line drive directly at Matt Joyce.
    Benoit comes in to replace Choate.

    Drives me nuts that: a) no one will point out how nuts this is and b) it will be viewed as successful. If the ball is hit more than 10 feet to either side of Joyce he probably doesn’t get to it & it goes for a double. Choate’s ERA is 3 times that of Benoit & his WHIP is double. The both faced about the same number of left handed batters & even though Choate is the specialist their results are about identical. Verses right handed batters however every batter facing Choate is better than Albert Puljos. I can’t believe that another bat or glove would have been far more beneficial.

  141. Chuck Says:

    You’re right.

    If that inning showed anything, its what happens when you over-manage.

    The end result is he has to bring in Feliz in the eighth inning.

    Important spot, no doubt, but it shouldn’t have been.

  142. Chuck Says:

    OK, now that doesn’t make any sense at all.

  143. Hartvig Says:

    My bad, I said Texas when I should have said Tampa… & I’ve only had 1 beer. I’m blaming early onset Alzheimer’s.

    But it was still over-managing.

  144. Chuck Says:

    You heard it here first.

    I think.

    Tampa’s going to come back and win the series.

  145. Cameron Says:

    For the record, everyone (including me) who thought the New York would win in anything but sweep, we really should’ve paid attention to the last 3 ALDS these guys faced off in as a reference.

  146. Hossrex Says:

    My previous DS picks:

    Yankees in 4. Turns out to be Yanks in 3. Obviously the Yanks were going to win, but I really saw the Twinks taking the first post season game in their new park.

    Tampa in 5. The series is within one game going into game 4, and even Chuck sees a Tampa comeback.

    Phillies in 3. Currently winning the series 2-0. Looking good there also.

    Braves in 5. Series tied going into game 3… but to be honest this is the one I wish I could take back. I stick to my predictions, but as I said earlier, that one was shrouded in personal bias. The Giants have a nearly perfect starting rotation to dominate in the short 5 game series (even if they go down like punks in the LCS).

    Gotta give a bro SOME credit for some pretty good picks.

  147. Cameron Says:

    I could honestly see the Braves winning the WS and taking their series in 5-7-7 fashion. Why? The Law of Dramatic Tension.

  148. Cameron Says:

    Man, Tony Gwynn’s undergoing radiation therapy for cancer. http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20101009&content_id=15536476&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

  149. Lefty33 Says:

    “That’s the literal definition of collusion.”

    No, that’s the definition of racism.

    (Which is discrimination or prejudice based on race.)

    Segregation was the official policy of this country as a whole, separate but equal, and not just Baseball.

    “Who said the commissioner was supposed to remain “unbiased”?”

    How about Kenesaw Mountain Landis from the start of the position.

    He said he wanted to serve as the ultimate arbiter for the players and the owners.

    When correctly doing their job an arbiter is unbiased in their judgements and opinions.

    In Landis’s 25 year run he insisted upon the office being independent and ensured that by making things miserable for both players and owners by making rulings that kept both in line.

    When a commissioner starts to actively work with one side over another bad things happen to Baseball and to him.

    Peter Ueberroth oversees the owners stealing $280 million dollars from the players and after that winds up losing his job and leaving Baseball with his tail between his legs.

    Fay Vincent gets too cozy with the players and gets a no confidence vote from the owners and is also bounced.

    The Commissioner’s office works best when the person involved is not beholden to one side or the other.

    And while Bud is clearly with the owners, he was one of the biggest colluding owners in the ’80s, the players have made out obnoxiously well under his reign and have nothing to complain about unlike guys in the ’80s who got screwed out of millions because owners wouldn’t sign them due to them having a “gentleman’s agreement” not to sign position players to more than three year deals and pitchers to no more than two and to not sign players from other teams.

  150. Hossrex Says:

    I don’t think you know what the word collusion means.


    Collusion: “Secret agreement or cooperation especially for an illegal or deceitful purpose”

    Pretty much exactly what ownership did prior to 1947.

  151. Lefty33 Says:

    “I don’t think you know what the word collusion means.”

    I don’t think you know what racism or discrimination means.

    Racism: a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.


    Discrimination: treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit: racial and religious intolerance and discrimination.

    Pretty much what the country, including Baseball owners, were allowed to legally practice in certain forms until 1968 when the Supreme Court finally declared all forms of racism illegal.

  152. Cameron Says:

    Guys, you’re both technically right. It was a race-driven collusion started by Cap Anson. In motivation, it was racist, in practice, it was both discrimination, but since it was done by the whole of the league and on purpose, it was collusion.

  153. Chuck Says:

    The anti-trust exemption protects MLB from governmental influence, up to and including litigation protection.

    In the eyes of the law, baseball isn’t a business like the NFL, it’s an entertainment entity like the WWE.

    The Department of Justice recently filed a class action lawsuit against every bank in the US who issue credit cards on behalf of the merchants, and NOT the consumers.

    If I walk into a Pizza Hut with an American Express card, a MasterCard, a $20 bill, and my check book, it is MY decision on how I want to pay.

    According to the DOJ lawsuit, the merchants are claiming it should be their decision.

    The merchant has the right to decide which credit cards, or other forms of payment he will accept, but he has no right to decide which one I use.

    That’s collusion.

  154. Chuck Says:

    As far as baseball goes, call it whatever you want..collusion, racism, blackballing.

    It’s been happening for pretty much ever, everyone knows it, all sides are equally as guilty, so, big deal.

    If Brian Cashman doesn’t offer Cliff Lee a $20 million a year deal because he doesn’t feel he is worth it, that’s his choice as a businessman.

    In some circles, he would be viewed as financially responsible.

    If the other 29 GM’s individually and collectively agree with him, all of a sudden it’s colluding?

    Sorry, but I call bullshit.

    The worst thing to happen to baseball in the last 25 years was Bart Giammatti dying.

    That SOB had balls.

    There would have been a World Series in 1994, and steriods would be limited to the muscle heads at the gym.

    If only….

  155. Chuck Says:

    The Twins were 2-4 in the regular season against the Yankees.

    In both Twins victories, the starting and winning pitcher was Nick Blackburn.

    Blackburn is scheduled to start today in Game Four.

    Oh, wait, sorry about that.

    Blackburn’s next start has been moved back to the first week of March.

    Just sayin’….

  156. Bob Says:

    I just learned that the father of Yu Darvish went to school in New England.

  157. Hossrex Says:

    Lefty: “I don’t think you know what racism or discrimination means.”

    I know exactly what racism, and discrimination is.

    Your description of racism however does nothing to quell my point that this was a cut and dry example of collusion.

  158. Hartvig Says:

    “Tampa’s going to come back and win the series.”

    Chuck is lookin’ pretty smart right now.

    Of course, I knew it all along: ” Tampa & Minn in 5″

    Just ignore that Minn part. Must have been a typo.

  159. Bob Says:

    I am pulling for Tampa. I thought Texas and San Diego a month ago.

  160. Lefty33 Says:

    “If the other 29 GM’s individually and collectively agree with him, all of a sudden it’s colluding?

    Sorry, but I call bullshit.”

    But Chuck what makes it colluding is when it’s not just the other 29 GM’s agreeing, but the commissioner telling them, like Ueberroth did, that they are in essence not allowed to sign another teams FA without fear of retribution from his office or when he ordered them to not sign a player for longer than three years without his approval.

    It’s one thing for the owners to not allow African American’s to play in Baseball because they were just following the legal societal norms of the day.

    Under separate but equal, they owners were not practicing collusion so much as they were practicing segregation, racism, and discrimination.

    Wrong? Of Course. But was it illegal? No.

    When the independent arbiter of the sport is blatantly choosing sides against the other to artificially alter the terms of the CBA that both sides agreed to for one sides financial gain that is collusion.

    And that’s what arbitrator Thomas Roberts found starting in 1987.

  161. Hossrex Says:

    Lefty: “Under separate but equal, they owners were not practicing collusion so much as they were practicing segregation, racism, and discrimination.”

    I call false dichotomy on that.

    Just because it’s racist doesn’t mean it isn’t collusion, and just because it’s collusion, doesn’t mean it isn’t racist.

    You’re making a category error.

  162. Chuck Says:

    “I just learned that the father of Yu Darvish went to school in New England.”

    So did about half of Osama bin Laden’s two dozen children.

    Not getting the point here.

    And considering Darvish’s father is, I believe, Iranian, I’m more concerned with his ties to a terrorist than a baseball player.

  163. Cameron Says:

    Darvish’s father was an Iranian American, and to be frank, statements like Chuck’s are the reason Darvish doesn’t want to come to the states. I meant that in the least offensive way possible, Chuck.

    And I think I understand about the MLB’s status now. Since they’re exhibition sports and treated under different rules… Okay, I understand. If the WWE got the hammer brought down on them, they lose money. State Athletic Commissions that force them to report to regulations lose them, that’s why WWE hasn’t been in Oregon in yeras.

    So if they lose antitrust, they’re subject to state regulations and operations really get fucked up. I see. They lose that, the red tape piles on.

  164. Cameron Says:

    And Darvish’s parents both went to college in St. Petersburg, Florida. Darvish’s dad was on scholarship because he was captain of the Iranian national soccer team, and his grandfather was a travel agent.

  165. Chuck Says:

    “But Chuck what makes it colluding is when it’s not just the other 29 GM’s agreeing, but the commissioner telling them, like Ueberroth did, that they are in essence not allowed to sign another teams FA without fear of retribution from his office or when he ordered them to not sign a player for longer than three years without his approval.”

    A guy who averages 40 homers a season for five years can only get a two year, $20 million deal with the worst team in baseball?

    The starting left fielder on a World Series winner can only get a two year, $16 million deal…as a designated hitter?

    A three time, Gold Glove winning second baseman is playing for his fourth team in three seasons and doesn’t sign a deal until after spring training already starts?

    Are you going to honestly tell me Selig didn’t have a say in any of those deals?

    And let’s not even go there on how CC ended up in New York or Manny in LA.

  166. Chuck Says:

    “Darvish’s father was an Iranian American, and to be frank, statements like Chuck’s are the reason Darvish doesn’t want to come to the states.”

    If you’ve been paying any attention at all to what I’ve been saying over the past few weeks, you know exactly why Darvish isn’t coming to the states.

    His father has nothing to do with it. Nationality or otherwise.

  167. Chuck Says:

    Cameron, you have to realize something.

    Bob gets all his information from MLBTradeRumors.

    That’s the equivalent to believing WWE is real.

    Consider the resource.

    Darvish ain’t coming.

    Just because teams are scouting him, don’t mean shit.

    If you were 6′5″ and could throw 95, scouts would be knocking on your door, too.

    Shit, bin Laden is 6′6″. If HE could throw 95….

  168. Cameron Says:

    Darvish also has the track record of success in Japan, they want to see if he’ll get posted. Darvish is the highest paid player in NPB and his wife is the highest paid actress in Japan. He has no reason to come over.

    And at least he bothered to explain it better than you guys did. I tried researching the repercussions of MLB losing its antitrust and honestly, I couldn’t find jack shit that’d be different.

  169. Cameron Says:

    Also, Martin Prado on crutches could’ve played second better than Brooks Conrad today.

  170. Chuck Says:

    I listened to Conrad’s press conference and he stood up like a man.

    He said they were physical errors..he didn’t blame the sun, he didn’t blame a bad hop, he sat there and took full responsibility for it.

    Clap, clap, clap…

    Bill Buckner’s was physical too.

    John McNamara SHOULDN’T have taken him out.

    Calvin Schiraldi should have thrown better pitches.

    Buckner’s error had everything to allowing the winning run to score.

    It had nothing to do with the Red Sox losing the game, or the series.

    Shit happens.

  171. Chuck Says:

    “And at least he bothered to explain it better than you guys did”


  172. Cameron Says:

    He bothered to give me an explanation. Everybody else just said look it up. I tried, and came up with nothing that would’ve answered my question what’s the big deal about the antitrust exemption?

  173. John Says:


    Endearing though it is when old people say racist things, it probably detracts from your argument.

    Also, three players who can’t field, can’t field, and were deemed worse than Ron Belliard making a combined 50M in a shitty economy is not evidence of collusion. Also, Adam Dunn is undervalued by old people who think strikeouts and batting average are more telling than OBP and SLG.

  174. Cameron Says:

    Strikeouts do hurt production. Not to a largely noticeable degree unless you’re Mark Reynolds, but I’d like a guy to cut down on Ks. Ryan Howard learned to cut down and his power got hurt with the new approach, so take it or leave it.

  175. Chuck Says:

    “Endearing though it is when old people say racist things, it probably detracts from your argument.”

    Compared to you, I’m old.

    So are your parents.

    It’s wasn’t a racist statement, it was one of experience.

    Check you later.

  176. Chuck Says:

    “Also, three players who can’t field, can’t field, and were deemed worse than Ron Belliard.”

    Deemed worse by whom?

  177. Chuck Says:

    “Also, Adam Dunn is undervalued by old people who think strikeouts and batting average are more telling than OBP and SLG.”

    List them, in order, most positive to most negative.

    I’ll help you out.

    1) OBP
    4) strikeouts

  178. John Says:


    I don’t necessarily disagree about K’s. Obviously, Adam Dunn isn’t Mark Reynolds though…and I think a lot of people really hold Dunn’s 170 Ks and .250 BA against him which is why he doesn’t see big money. He shouldn’t get a huge contract, but not for that reason – my nieces have better gloves than him.

    Being alive in 1980 doesn’t count as experience.

    And O-dog was deemed worse than Ron Belly-ard by Torre when he replaced him for the last month and playoffs. Probably a bad call, but I’m not gonna give an 8-yr deal to a rangy 2b who can’t hit that well regardless of collusion or lackthereof.

  179. Cameron Says:

    I was just saying that Ks hurt in principle. Adam Dunn’s the extreme of a guy who slugs enough for it not to matter. Howard’s an outlier because he has some contact on top of those Ks and has just a below-average glove now. He’s more of a complete player and he made an effort.

    And Chuck, I’m looking for different things for different players. I pretty much have two different types of batters I’m looking for, though strikeouts really don’t factor much either way.

    1) OBP
    2) BA
    3) SLG
    4) Strikeouts (Keep ‘em low, need to be on base)

    Power/Middle of the Order
    1) SLG
    2) OBP (walks are a positive, not necessary)
    3) BA
    4) strikeouts

  180. Cameron Says:

    And O-Dog was looking for big money. That wasn’t collusion, that was a bunch of guys not wanting to overpay. What happened with guys like Andre Dawson in the 80s was collusion, guys like Gary Sheffield and Jermaine Dye not having jobs are GMs not being fucking stupid.

  181. Hartvig Says:

    As much as I love Adam Dunn’s power & OBP, I think part of the reason he will probably not get the contract he likes again this year is his insistence on wanting to play the field. He’s a good enough hitter someone might get away with putting him at first base but if you put him back in left field you better have Garry Maddox playing both the other outfield positions.

    And Cameron, I think Jermaine Dye just refused to recognize the current market. He was going to be 36 years old and coming off a season where he was a defensive liability and an OPS below .600 in the second half of the season. The year before Bobby Abreu signed for 5 million (which is what Dye was supposedly looking for) when he was a year younger, better in the field & coming off a season where his OPS+ was 120. Last year Vlad Guerrero signed for $5.5 million, Jim Thome got 1.5 million and the list goes on. If he had been willing to sign for ONLY 2 million he would have been signed early. He wasn’t and no GM was willing to risk the kind of money he was asking. I wouldn’t have in their position either.

  182. Chuck Says:

    “Being alive in 1980 doesn’t count as experience.”

    Were you alive in 1980?

    If not, then your damn right it does.

  183. Chuck Says:

    Adam Dunn will get the second or third highest contract this off-season, behind Carl Crawford (definitely) and Cliff Lee (maybe).

    Jermaine Dye priced himself out of the market. If he wanted to play, he could have. He was more concerned with his checking account than anything else.

    Brandon Webb hasn’t pitched since Opening Day, 2009.

    He threw a simulated game the other day, and proclaimed himself “almost 100%”.

    He didn’t break 81 on the radar gun.

    He then shut himself down until January.

    He wants a contract for 2011 similar to what Ben Sheets signed for this year.

    He’s not getting it.

    Not even close.

    That’s not collusion.

    That’s being fucking ignorant.

    No one gives a shit about three consecutive top two Cy Young finishes if the 82 year old groundskeeper who throws out the first pitch on the final day of the season throws harder than you do.

    I wonder if Dye watches the Rays in the postseason and sees Rocco Baldelli and Matt Joyce in RF and wishes he wasn’t so goddamn stupid and just took the two million guarantee.

  184. John Says:

    No Chuck, but I know that generalizations about a nationality are usually inaccurate.

    Insinuating that Darvish’s father has terrorist connections? Come on now.

  185. John Says:

    At this point, Chuck, I’m really not sure what you’re arguing.

  186. Cameron Says:

    I’ll admit there’s no collusion now. There were collusions in the past and the collusion ringleader’s now the commissioner of the game, but I don’t think anyone’s being kept the market on purpose.

    And honestly Chuck, this is ridiculous. Were you also behind people in New York beating Saudi Arabian cab drivers to death after reports of the hijackers on 9/11 being Middle Eastern? I don’t give a shit if you were alive in 1980, that’s not a justification for racism.

  187. Hossrex Says:

    If the Rays win tomorrow, and the Bravos pick up the next two, my only miss will be predicting the Yanks in 4.

  188. Lefty33 Says:

    “Are you going to honestly tell me Selig didn’t have a say in any of those deals?”

    Nope, not one bit Chuck I’m not arguing that at all.

    Selig was one of the head colluders along with Ueberroth in the ‘80s and his resume speaks for itself in that realm.

    I have no doubt that his office has steered deals over the last eighteen years that he’s been commissioner.

    “I’ll admit there’s no collusion now.”

    Really Cameron?

    You might want to brush up on your history a bit.


    Collusion is alive and well in the game.

    “You’re making a category error.”

    And you’re being ignorant of historical context.

    Baseball became segregated in 1889. Until then at least one, Fleetwood Walker, or possibly two, William Edward White, played in the major leagues along side the stars of the day like Cap Anson.

    Why 1889? Because a year prior is when 17 states after Reconstruction passed laws instituting “legal” segregation. And the Morrill Act of 1890 confirmed those laws on a Federal level to be legal.

    Owners were simply instituting the legal racist and segregationist law of the day.

    Separate but equal. The Whites play in what is now MLB. And African American’s legally have their own league being the Negro Leagues.

    If you read most historical accounts of Baseball history Hoss the word collusion is never used because that’s not what happened.

    Collusion as per the MLB CBA is defined as: “Players shall not act in concert with other Players and Clubs shall not act in concert with other Clubs.”

    You need to think of this more with the simplistic mindset of the day (1889) and not with the more astute and enlightened approach that people have today about the same topic.

  189. Lefty33 Says:

    “Are you going to honestly tell me Selig didn’t have a say in any of those deals?”

    Nope, not one bit Chuck I’m not arguing that at all.

    Selig was one of the head colluders along with Ueberroth in the ‘80s and his resume speaks for itself in that realm.

    I have no doubt that his office has steered deals over the last eighteen years that he’s been commissioner.

    “I’ll admit there’s no collusion now.”

    Really Cameron?

    You might want to brush up on your history a bit.

    Google Baseball collusion 2010 and see what comes up. Some nice articles about Baseball quietly settling more collusion claims from the 2008 and 2009 off-seasons with the MLBPA.

    The only difference between now and the ‘80s is that unlike Ueberroth, Bud is smart enough to keep his direct influence in the background instead of leading the charge.

    Collusion is alive and well in the game.

    “You’re making a category error.”

    And you’re being ignorant of historical context.

    Baseball became segregated in 1889. Until then at least one, Fleetwood Walker, or possibly two, William Edward White, played in the major leagues along side the stars of the day like Cap Anson.

    Why 1889? Because a year prior is when 17 states after Reconstruction passed laws instituting “legal” segregation. And the Morrill Act of 1890 confirmed those laws on a Federal level to be legal.

    Owners were simply instituting the legal racist and segregationist law of the day.

    Separate but equal. The Whites play in what is now MLB. And African American’s legally have their own league being the Negro Leagues.

    If you read most historical accounts of Baseball history Hoss the word collusion is never used because that’s not what happened.

    Collusion as per the MLB CBA is defined as: “Players shall not act in concert with other Players and Clubs shall not act in concert with other Clubs.”

    You need to think of this more with the simplistic mindset of the day (1889) and not with the more astute and enlightened approach that people have today about the same topic.

  190. Hossrex Says:

    Orlando Hudson is an inveterate racist who makes no qualms about the way he feels, nor about whom he shares his beliefs with.

    In otherwords… the guys a bigoted prick with a loud mouth.

    He said black players make less money than white players because baseball is racist… as if the rest of us were too stupid to notice that he’s talking about people making millions of dollars per year.

    I wish people were that type of racist against me.

  191. Jim Says:

    Catching up on some BB news after being gone over the weekend, I saw that RS prospect Ryan Westmoreland is taking live BP in the FL instructional league. Westmoreland had brain surgery in the spring and while there is no prediction when he will or even can resume his career, the fact that he can get into the batters box and hit is a feel good story.

  192. Chuck Says:

    “I don’t give a shit if you were alive in 1980, that’s not a justification for racism.”

    Ask my Hispanic wife if I’m racist, you idiot.

  193. John Says:

    The sabermetric movement was lampooned on the Simpsons last night. You’d like it Chuck.

  194. Chuck Says:

    I heard.

    Since I’ve never watched the Simpsons it wouldn’t have caught my attention, but now that I know, I’m sorry I didn’t DVR it.

  195. John Says:

    It’s on hulu.

  196. John Says:


  197. brautigan Says:

    Jim: that is great news. I think that is the most under reported baseball story this year. I am wondering if part of it is the Westmoreland family kept this whole thing private, and if they did, I can’t say I blame them. But I had wondered how he was doing and if he is back playing ball, I am thinking that is just wonderful.

    I’m not a Red Sox fan, but I’m rooting for Ryan.

  198. Jim Says:

    braut: this is the link to the story I referenced, http://fullcount.weei.com/sports/boston/baseball/red-sox/2010/10/08/for-westmoreland-more-striking-progress-on-uncharted-path/

    After the surgery and when Westmoreland was at the rehab clinic, the family was careful to control access and the press respected that. IIRC, he went to the instructional league when the minor league seasons ended and started by doing things like playing catch and hitting the ball off the tee. Though he may never play professional ball again, the fact that he can participate in the drills is an indication that he may be able to have a normal life.

  199. Jim Says:

    Another LCS underachiever, Josh Hamilton. .393 would be a great on-base percentage, but is is truly a lousy OPS

  200. Jim Says:

    And its a good thing the MVP voting has been concluded Joey Votto OPS .191

  201. Chuck Says:

    I have no doubt Westmoreland will play again, he will be as good as he was before the surgery.

    The guy in the bar with the glasses looked alot like Jon Heyman.

    Kid: “You too should get a room.”

    Simpson girl: “We can’t, we’re brother and sister.”

    Kid: “So are my parents, I think.”


  202. Cameron Says:

    Yeeeesh, the Braves are so afraid of Conrad fucking things up, they’re moving Infante to second and giving Troy Glaus a glove. I’m scared. And sorry about the earlier outburst Chuck, when I see someone making statements I even think are racist, I tend to get angry. Grew up in a black neighborhood in a very white city, saw a lot of it in the day. Hasn’t ever sat well with me since.

  203. Chuck Says:

    It’s all good, Cameron. No worries.

  204. Hartvig Says:

    That sucks about Conrad. I’ve got a soft spot for guys like him & Lindsey, who spend years in the minors just for a chance to put on a major league uniform for a year or two. Jim Walewander is one of my favorite Tigers.

  205. Hossrex Says:


    I haven’t watched Simpsons in years.

    For the record… I’m the exact same age Bart was when the show started.

    Fourth grade, and ten years old… that’s how long the show has been on.

  206. Cameron Says:

    He took 3 errors at the keystone and let SF win. I love sentimentality, but not in the playoffs. Glaus may have lost the ability to play third, but I’ll risk it.

  207. brautigan Says:

    Hoss, I’m the same age as Matt Groening……you want old?

    I think I’ve told this story before, but it’s worth telling again.

    It’s 1993 and Cleveland has left Tucson for Florida so Tucson is now home for the new Colorado Rockies. So, this reporter from Denver comes to Tucson to “scout” the area to give advice to anyone going from Denver to Tucson for the first time. He goes to stores, golf courses, shops, restaurants, etc. He goes into this store in Tucson and asks the store keeper what item he sells the most of. The store keeper says “depends”. Reporter asks, “depends on what?” The storekeeper says, “no, depends, we sell more depends than anything else”.

    So, if you go to Arizona for spring training, watch out for the blue hairs on the freeway. They won’t be the ones doing 85 MPH, they are the ones doing 35 MPH.

  208. Chuck Says:

    Walewander’s a good guy. I see him around and have played golf with him a couple of times.

    The way he hits a golf ball defies his size.

  209. Chuck Says:

    I’m in Arizona a year, and I’m working PT for my wife’s uncle at the golf course he manages.

    It’s in Sun City, AZ, the retirement capital of the world.

    One day, we’re all sitting around having lunch, and an ambulance goes by, with all the lights and sirens going.

    One of the guys, a native, says, without looking up or stopping what he was doing, says;

    “Looks like someone called a cab.”

  210. Mike Felber Says:

    “It’s a triumph of number crunching over the human spirit…As it should be”. Lol.

    Thanks John.

  211. Cameron Says:

    Fuck, Atlanta’s just been eliminated. But given that Cincy and the Bravos are out, I have a team to get behind now that my other old faves are gone.

    GO GIANTS!!!

  212. Cameron Says:

    …Or New York, but rooting for New York in October’s too easy. I want some tension at least.

  213. Jim Says:

    “Braves are so afraid of Conrad fucking things up”

    And the tying run scores on Alex Gonzalez’s throwing error and the inning continued with the winning run. Poetic justice.

    Good luck in retirement Bobby Cox.

  214. Hossrex Says:

    *grumble grumble grumble*

  215. Bob Says:

    Chuck, does he make you listen to the Dead Milkmen?

  216. Bob Says:

    Chipper Jones wants to play next season. I thought he was done

  217. Raul Says:

    Tampa is decreasing payroll but Chipper could help them as a DH if they were willing to spend some money. He’s a lot more proven than Burrell and all the other DH’s they’ve had.

    I think he could fit in nicely in Baltimore, too. But that’s the thing…Jones fits in a lot of places where the teams aren’t necessarily contenders, or willing to spend money.

  218. Chuck Says:

    The Braves aren’t going to trade Chipper anymore than the Padres would’ve traded Tony Gwynn or the Orioles with Cal Jr.

    Chipper’s signed thru 2013.

    He ain’t going anywhere.

  219. Raul Says:

    Girardi apparently intends to pitch AJ Burnett in the ALCS.

    Overall, Burnett has pretty good numbers against Texas batters during his career. Tampa batters have given him more trouble.

  220. Bob Says:

    Billy Beane and Joel Sherman both think Sandy Alderson should be the next GM of the Mets. Sherman is a great writer. The best in New York at least

  221. Bob Says:

    BA listed Carlos Santana the best prospect in the International league.

  222. Raul Says:

    I don’t really care what Billy Beane’s opinion is on who should be the General Manager of the Mets. It’s not like he’s built the Athletics into a powerhouse franchise. He’s nobody.

    Alderson would certainly be better than Minaya, but Alderson is approaching his mid-60s. How long is he going to want to do the job? Figuring how long it’s going to take to build up the Mets’ system, he’d have to be with the franchise for 8-10 years (at least as a consultant/adviser) to make them perennial contenders. By the time the Mets are really serious, Bay, Santana, Wright, Beltran and Reyes will be long gone.

  223. Cameron Says:

    I dunno, Beane took over as GM in ‘98 and turned in winning records every year between 99-06. They were 70 win guys from 07-09 and now they’re .500 and looking up. Keeping these few rebuilding years aside, Beane’s a better GM than I gave him credit for.

  224. Cameron Says:

    And I don’t know if Chipper will play next year, but I have a hard time seeing him anywhere outside of Atlanta. He also says he wants to be a hitting coach when he retires, but since Terry Pendleton’s there, he may go elsewhere.

  225. Raul Says:

    Just checked the Mets roster for 2010.
    Henry Blanco managed to appear in 50 games this season at the ripe old age of 38.
    13 years in the big leagues. Not a bad career for a back-up catcher. BBRef’s similarity score puts him with Charlie O’Brien.

    I just found that interesting.

  226. Raul Says:

    We’ve kinda been through this already about Billy Beane.
    Your boy Alderson built those A’s teams…

  227. Bob Says:

    I agree with Chuck. But I also would not trade for him either. Coming of a serious injury at his age. His best chance at returning disappeared when Cox retired.

  228. Bob Says:

    I just went to BR to look up Doug Mirabelli. But what caught my attention was this phrase by Money Cures an 86-Year Itch, the sponsor of his page. 1918- still the last year Boston won a legitimate World Series ( without resorting to Steinbrenner-esque brute force strategy).

  229. Cameron Says:

    Chipper will be a big part of Atlanta for a while. He wants to stay in the game. He might end up being a manager down the road, who knows?

    And Beane’s made some good low-key moves and built up a decent group of young guys the As will use to be competitive. I’m not saying he’s baseball Jesus, but I’m not as hard on him as I used to be.

  230. Bob Says:

    Beane’s job got alot tougher the second Nolan Ryan and his group took over the Rangers. They look like they will rule their division for at least the next half-decade. I cannot say that about any other team.

  231. Raul Says:

    LOL @ that comment, Bob.

    I wouldn’t take that shot at Boston though, and I’m a Yankees fan. 2004 was a credit to the Redsox stepping up, and Joe Torre being…well…Joe Torre.


    I know what you’re saying. Fair enough. Now let’s see how your boys in KC progress next season.

  232. Cameron Says:

    Yeah, but Beane’s gonna be a pain in his ass, and Zdruinceck has pieces to chase them. The AL West has Texas as favorties, but there’s guys there to catch ‘em if they fuck up.

    Though it’ll be about as good as Toronto’s efforts. Waiting for the guys to hit a slide and keep going downhill. …I see them doing that to Boston and Tampa in a few years.

  233. Raul Says:

    Actually Bob,

    If the cards fall right, the Royals could put together a string of AL Central titles from 2014-2020.

  234. Cameron Says:

    KC? We’re not gonna be competitive next year. We’re still growing the boys. Moose might make it midseason and Hosmer in September, but the guys like Myers, Montgomery, Lamb, Collins, Colon, all them aren’t gonna be there until 2012-2013.

  235. Bob Says:

    Shit, fine with me. Here is hoping that Chris Getz is the MVP of that team.

  236. Cameron Says:

    Chris Getz couldn’t win his job from Mike Aviles, who lost his shortstop job to Yuniesky Betancourt. It’s baffling that anyone could think of Chris Getz as a major leaguer after that.

  237. Chuck Says:

    Of course Billy Beane suggests Alderson should take over the Mets.

    Alderson goes to New York, and completely rebuilds the team and the minor league franchises.

    He then steps down three, four years from now, with Beane, now unemployed, coming in.

    With Alderson’s players now dominant on the field, the Mets rip off a five, six year stretch of postseason appearances and a WS or two.

    Then Michael Lewis writes the sequel to “Moneyball”, and Beane again becomes famous for doing nothing.

    Sound familiar.

  238. Raul Says:

    Let’s go.
    Who ya got tonight?

    Cliff Lee or David Price?

  239. Chuck Says:


  240. Raul Says:

    I’m taking David Price.

    Tampa vs. New York in the ALCS

    To be honest though, I think a Texas/New York series would have more national appeal.

  241. Raul Says:

    Just got reminded of something, since Chuck is in Arizona…

    I was in California last week, and it really is nice to be able to watch a baseball game or football game and still have time to do things when it’s over.

    The other night, I saw the Yankees clinch and it was like 8 or 9pm…which allowed for several more beer.

  242. Chuck Says:

    AFL starts today…88 degrees, no wind.

    I hate it when work takes away from the important things in life.

  243. Raul Says:

    LOL, well said.

  244. Bob Says:

    Shit, I will take Lee. Although I am rooting for Tampa.

  245. Chuck Says:

    For Braut…

    Dustin Ackley went yard his first AFL AB.

  246. brautigan Says:

    I was hanging out with the Guided By Voices band this weekend and they thought it silly to watch Ohio State at 9 in the morning. I told them that it’s great, you finish the game by noon and you have the whole day ahead of you. I think they thought it over and yes, it is a benefit after all. As long as you’re not too drunk out of your head.

    Raul, you should move to the left coast. I always found it weird to be in South Beach and watch a baseball game start at 10 or 11 at night and still be going at 1 in the morning. Well, not too odd, I remember the 2008 allstar game, that thing was so late I missed my flight home that morning (like “Escape from New York”, or a better example yet, “the Warriors”).

  247. John Says:

    Beane was offered the Mets job several years ago and he turned it down.

    The thing that gets me is that the team he’s built up this year finished .500, outscored their opponents, had a terrific rotation – and Beane deserves a lot of credit there.

    Then you think about how much better they would’ve been with CarGo and 10M worth of people who aren’t Ben Sheets…and Beane seems far less impressive.

  248. Bob Says:

    John, are you sure he was offered the Mets job? I thought it was the Red Sox that offered him a job, but he declined.

  249. Hossrex Says:

    Watched the baseball Simpson’s episode. Haven’t watched that show in years.

    I thought it was hilarious. Best line:

    Bill James: “I’ve made baseball as fun as doing your taxes!”


  250. Mike Felber Says:

    It largely depends upon your preferences & tendencies. For some of us 1 is not at all late, at least if we can get a schedule that starts & ends later. Morning vs. evening people.

  251. brautigan Says:


    A sure sign of studliness. I sure hope so, Seattle could use his bat SOON. did you see what Seattle’s OPS was this year? The 1913 Washington Senators had a better OPS than Seattle and they hit a grand total of 20 homeruns that year!

  252. Cameron Says:

    Hm, tonight’s game I’m calling second verse same as the first, Texas/New York next series. You don’t bet against Cliff Lee in October. He’s one of those pitchers like Andy Pettitte and Bob Gibson who seems to thrive in the postseason. I’d have mentioned Mo, but… Well, ask Chuck about 2001.

    And Beane made some boneheaded trade, but who hasn’t? Remember, Andy MacPhail’s been the Orioles GM since the mid 80s. If someone can hang onto the reigns after driving a team that was that great straight into the ground… I dunno, but there’s defenitely worse guys in charge.

    Also, braut, there’s this stud pitching prospect Seattle has. I think he’s like 19 or 20 now, I think a Dominican free agent… I dunno, but I think he’s a top prospect.

  253. Cameron Says:

    I checked the 1913 Washington lineup. Yikes, a team full of fail. If it wasn’t for Big Train going 36-7, that team would’ve looked like… Well, the Seattle Mariners.

  254. Bob Says:

    Cameron, Macphail has been the O’s GM since 2007. He worked in Minnesota for a number of years.

  255. Cameron Says:

    Ah right, that GM job he had in 85 was Minnesota… And that was 2 WS.

  256. Chuck Says:


    You would be speaking of Michael Pineda.


  257. Cameron Says:

    Thanks Chuck, I heard this kid’s got lights out stuff and might be fighting for a rotation spot in Spring Training. He pitching in Arizona this fall?

  258. Chuck Says:

    No, he’s not.

    Pineda turns 22 in January.

  259. Raul Says:

    I can’t believe Maddon started Carlos Pena and Dan Johnson against Cliff Lee tonight.

    As of this moment, they’re 0-5 with 4 strikeouts.

  260. Chuck Says:

    Yeah, he really lost his flexibility when Baldelli got hurt.

    I wonder if he wishes he still had Pat Burrell.

  261. Chuck Says:

    If I’m Ron Washington, there’s no way Cliff Lee is coming out of this game.

    His pitch count is high right now, especially for him, but the reason the Rangers got him is for right now, and he’s throwing 130 if need be.

  262. Chuck Says:

    And if he does take him out, they’re going to effin’ lose.

  263. Raul Says:

    Wouldn’t it be like the Sabathia situation in Milwaukee?
    I mean are the Rangers really going to re-sign Cliff Lee? Hell, run him out there all day.

  264. Chuck Says:

    How many teams can afford what Cliff Lee will be asking?

    Not many.

    How many teams believe Cliff Lee to be worth what he will be asking?

    Not many.

    Of these teams, on how many would Cliff Lee be the number one starter?

    Not many.

    And of these, how many would be willing to give him a full no trade?

    Even fewer.

    The longer this goes on, the more I believe Texas will be a player in the Lee sweepstakes.

  265. Raul Says:

    I guess you have a point.

    The question I have then is, are the Rangers going to be bidding against themselves, like the Yankees did with A-rod?

  266. Chuck Says:

    No, I don’t think so.

    I think alot of teams will be enamored by Lee’s IP/BB ratio and his durability, which I suppose they should, but he’s old, he’s had arm injuries in the past, and, quite frankly, is overrated.

    Cliff Lee’s 32.

    Would I risk a five year, 100+ million deal AND a no trade on him?

    No way, Jose.

    Do I want Cliff Lee on the Yankees?

    Sure, but not at CC Sabathia money.

    Hell, I don’t want him at AJ Burnett money, either.

  267. Raul Says:

    Looks like the Rangers punched their ticket to the ALCS with Kinsler’s homer.

    Yankees better be scouting CJ Wilson for Game 1.

  268. Raul Says:

    Hell of a performance for Cliff Lee in the series clincher.

  269. Raul Says:

    In other news, it looks like the Braves will hire former Marlins manager, Fredi Gonzalez.

  270. Raul Says:

    Oh, and another thing…BJ Upton might as well pack his bags now. He’s gone.

  271. Cameron Says:

    Cliff Lee, sub 2 ERA with 22 strikeouts. This dude’s a machine.

  272. Raul Says:

    I actually think Cliff Lee is very hittable.
    Just sit fastball. His breaking ball is mostly for-show, as far as I’m concerned.

    He locates it well, but, come on.
    And I honestly don’t mean to knock Cliff Lee on his performance. He was great…but holy fuck he got a lot of close calls. Calls that I think affected the types of pitches the Rays swung at.

    If you’re going to get fastballs 2 inches below the knees, I mean you might as well just fucking let him bounce pitches for strikes.

  273. brautigan Says:

    I saw Pineda pitch in Portland. He’s got some serious stuff ( a plus slider), but he is going to need to learn a bit of command. He is a good prospect, but he’s not King Felix…….not even Queen Felix.

    Seattle doesn’t have much in their minor league system, but I am anxious to watch Alex Liddi and see how he develops. He could be in the bigs next year, but probably not to start the season.

  274. Chuck Says:

    What, you don’t like Greg Halman?

  275. Chuck Says:

    The M’s do have an outfielder I kind of like, Peguero or something like that. Played in the Futures Game as a 19 year old A ball kid, which is saying something.

    Kind of raw, but so is Mike Stanton.

  276. Chuck Says:

    Raul @ #270.

    Spot on.

  277. Cameron Says:

    Yeah, Lee lives and dies by that fastball. When he has years like 2008 and he’s dialed in, he places it well. If he loses command… Well, he started in AAA that year for a reason.

  278. brautigan Says:

    I saw Halman a couple of years ago in A ball and he looked good then. But, he hit the wall a bit this year in AAA. Who knows, he still could be a decent corner OF. Peguero may replay AA next year unless Seattle has him on a time table.

  279. Mike Felber Says:

    What % of top AAA players could be decent ML players? I would guess that maybe 20% of all AAA guys could be replacement level. Right? But take the top 5% of their league. What % of THOSE could post seasons at an 800 OPS + or sub 4.00 ERA in the Bigs?

  280. Hartvig Says:

    I would have bet that most major league stars never played in AAA but a random sampling picked up quite a few that did. It looks like if they do play any AAA ball it’s either because they are still really young (Clemons, Maddux) or learning a new position (Sandberg, Schmidt) or both (Mantle).

  281. Bob Says:

    Let us go.

    Texas over New York.
    Phillies over SF.

  282. Raul Says:

    I can’t think of a more boring World Series than Texas vs. Philadelphia.

    I’d rather watch professional table tennis.

  283. Bob Says:

    Fine, Texas San Fran. I am so indifferent as to who wins this year. And just to say it first: Evan Longoria will win the M.V.P next year.

  284. Raul Says:

    I’d like to see San Fran vs. New York.

    The last time they faced in a World Series was in 1962.
    7 games.

    1-0 game won by Ralph Terry who pitched a complete game, giving up 4 hits.

    If I’m reading this box score correctly:

    Terry goes out there for the 9th inning.
    Matty Alou bunts to 2nd base and gets on. Lead off single.
    Felipe Alou strikes out.
    Chuck Hiller strikes out.
    Mays doubles to RF.
    So you have men on 2nd and 3rd with 2 outs, in the bottom of the 9th, and you’re down 1-0, at home.

    Up next?
    Willie McCovey.

    There isn’t a manager on earth today that would leave their starting pitcher in the game in that situation. What’s more? You have 1st base open and after McCovey you got Orlando Cepeda.

    Tough decision.
    McCovey lines out to Richardson.
    Game over.


  285. Chuck Says:

    The Halman comment was meant to be sarcastic, Braut.

    The guy whiffs in something like 37% of his plate appearances.

    What does WAR say about replacement level, Mike?

    There’s not even the slightest chance I could ever root against the Yankees, but if Texas wins the ALCS, I would be lying if I said I was disappointed.

  286. Lefty33 Says:

    “What % of top AAA players could be decent ML players?”

    5-10% tops IMHO.

    Maybe Chuck or Braut could help out with what guys in the PCL look like but most guys in the IL are way past their prime or never will be old farts compared to what most people would define as a “prospect”.

    “What % of THOSE could post seasons at an 800 OPS + or sub 4.00 ERA in the Bigs?”

    I’ll speak to the sub four ERA, and the answer is very few.

    Mike, AAA for most teams is a wasteland.

    If you are there it’s either because you are:

    A: Very young and your team is trying to figure out if you can hack it against quasi-former major league talent. (Like what the Phillies did with Domonic Brown this year.)

    And the percentage of guys that fall into this category are few and far between.

    B: You are deemed an emergency backup if a guy on the big club goes on the DL.

    You never will have a real chance at a starting job but you are kept around anyway.
    (Like what the Phillies have done the last two years with John Mayberry Jr.)

    C: You’re there just to fill out a roster space. Santa Claus would have a better chance at seeing ML action instead of you. (What the Phillies had at AAA this year with guys like Brian Mazone, Nate Bump, and Rich Thompson.)

    To show you how some teams don’t give a shit about AAA, last year the Phillies AAA team for about half the season started the following infield:

    1B Andy Tracy (35)

    2B Miguel Cairo (35)

    SS Pablo Ozuna (34)

    3B Mike Cervenak (33)

    Real bunch of prospects and spring chickens when the infield you’re trotting out is averaging 34.25 years of age at each position.

    For a few games last year that same team did not have a single player under the age of 31 in it’s starting lineup.

  287. Cameron Says:

    Wait, Pablo Ozuna still has a job? LAst I remember, he was backing up Juan Uribe in Chicago like, 6 years ago.

  288. Lefty33 Says:

    “Wait, Pablo Ozuna still has a job?”

    Pablo was the Phillies AAA starting 2B/SS last year until he got hit with a 50 game PED suspension.

    Upon his reinstatement the Phillies quietly released him.

    He played a bit this year with the Newark Bears.

  289. Chuck Says:

    The Mariners actually had two players make BA’s all Minor League All-Star teams.

    Pineda was a pitcher on the second team, and 19 year old, first year pro Nick Franklin was the shortstop on the first team.

    A switch-hitter, he was the M’s first rounder in ‘09, and spent most of the year in the Class A Midwest League in Clinton.

    He actually broke the franchise record for homers with 23, a record that was set in 1961. He was one of only two players (Brandon Belt) to have 20 homers, 20 steals and 20 doubles this year.

    As expected, he did have some negative issues as well, striking out 129 times and not hitting at all from the right side (.174).

    The M’s also had two players make the High Class A team, second baseman Kyle Seager and outfielder Johermyn Chavez, and Rookie League 3B Ramon Morla.

    Their Triple A team, Tacoma, played in the AAA finals, two other teams actually won their League championships, and only had one team, the AZL Rookie squad, finish the season with a losing record.

    Things ain’t so bad for Seattle.

  290. Chuck Says:

    AAA isn’t what it used to be.

    Before 1960, there were more AAA teams than ML teams, and was primarily a finishing school of sorts.

    In the PCL glory days, great teams like the Oakland Seals and LA Angels could have competed in the majors.

    Nowadays, with 18 more ML teams and fewer AAA teams, and minor league teams in general, the balance of power has narrowed.

    There are almost as many AAA players making ML money as minor league money. Two years ago, the Florida Marlins had someone named Alfredo or Armando Amanzaga as their starting CF, who was so bad it necessitated the Marlins of rushing an obviously not ready Cameron Maybin to the show.

    Look at the Braves. How many games did Jason Heyward play in AAA? Yet, he was deemed to be better than at least one of the Braves starting OF.

    Most big time prospects like Heyward and Mike Stanton and Buster Posey will skip AAA altogether, or maybe play half a season. Their ML parent clubs are so devoid of talent that a 20 year old kid with almost no experience above AA can not only start in the majors but be a force in the lineup.

    The Rays had the best record in MLB and they had 8 guys in AAA get 400 or more PA’s, and only one, Desmond Jennings, is on his way up.

    Dan Johnson was the IL MVP, and he’s a journeyman who couldn’t beat out a guy hitting .198.

    The Pirates are the worst team and they only had three guys over 400 PA’s, because their best players were in Pittsburgh.

    Which is one reason WHY Pittsburgh is the worst team.

  291. brautigan Says:

    Lefty: We had teams roll in with zero prospects this year. It seems every year, the prospect list gets shorter and shorter. I mean, we did see Tim Lincecum for about 3 games a couple of years ago. And Buster Posey played for about a third of the season in Fresno (but he may have skipped AA in the process). It seems we might see a good hitter in AAA, but the good pitching prospects often jump AAA (like I suppose Kyle Drabek will skip next year).

    Alfredo Amazaga (or whatever) was a utility infielder that ended up playing CF due to injuries to Eric Reed and DeAza if memory serves me correctly. Of course, I am old and about 2 to 3 years away from one a day vitamins and depends. But I still rock on my friends. How many of you can say you hung out with the Grateful Dead, Widespread Panic, Pavement, Sonic Youth and Guided BY Voices? Man, I live a charmed life: baseball, Oregon Ducks & Rock & roll. Oh, and Oregon beer and Sapphire Gin. It just keeps on getting better and better……..

  292. Jim Says:

    There was a point in the 80’s where ML teams stopped sending the best prospects to AAA. A reason I read was that the teams feared that the good prospects would be contaminated by bad attitudes and drug use of older “failed” players. That seems to have changed again and prospects do go to AAA, but only for a season or so. Just long enough to see if the player will stumble before bringing them up.

  293. Chuck Says:

    “How many of you can say you hung out with the Grateful Dead, Widespread Panic, Pavement, Sonic Youth and Guided BY Voices?”

    Why would I want to?

  294. Raul Says:

    Everyone’s got their own musical tastes.
    I would have hung out with The Clash and The Ramones.

  295. Jim Says:

    for the leftovers?

  296. Chuck Says:

    Taste got nothing to do with it.

  297. Raul Says:

    Dude, if you want leftovers, you gotta hang out with cheesy bands…like Bon Jovi and N’SYNC.

  298. Chuck Says:

    “for the leftovers.”

    First, I worked for the New York Rangers back in the day of Ron Duguay, Don Murdoch, Ron Greschner and the Maloney brothers. The ugliest “leftover” I was with made the best looking girl you’ve seen look like Betty White.

    Second, rock and roll leftovers usually are accompanied by antibiotics, which ain’t my thing.

    Right, Braut?


  299. Chuck Says:

    The Nationals assigned Bryce Harper to the AFL.

    They’re idiots.


  300. Raul Says:

    A buddy of mine ran into Paul O’Neill at a bar.

    So they’re sitting around and somehow the conversation comes around to which Yankees got the most women. So my buddy guesses that Derek Jeter topped the list. Paul O’Neill tells him, “You know who got the most, and hottest girls? Randy Velarde”.

    My buddy damn near fell out of his chair. “Randy f*cking Velarde????” And cracked up in disbelief.

    I wasn’t there and I don’t know if it’s a true story. I’m not doubting my friend. But if that’s true, that’s hilarious. Not exactly a story about leftovers, but pretty funny to me.

  301. Raul Says:

    I don’t get it.
    If the Nationals don’t want Harper to sit around for 2 months, you can send him to other leagues. It didn’t have to be the AFL.

  302. Chuck Says:

    There are no other leagues, Raul.

    Instructs are over as far as playing competetive games, so all he’d be doing is playing in intra-squad games.

    He’s only playing two days a week out here, which I guess is OK, the other four days he can only practice, can’t be in uniform.

  303. Cameron Says:

    I saw something funny. When all the Rangers were celebrating the ALDS win with champagne, Josh Hamilton was joining in the celebration by spraying ginger ale.

    Also, Trevor Hoffman turns 43 today. Happy birthday, and please retire.

  304. Raul Says:

    He can’t go to the Dominican Republic or something? Put a moustache on him. Smuggle him into some Mexican league…

  305. Chuck Says:

    I’d give a year of my life to be the first pitcher he faces.

  306. Raul Says:

    You’d drill him.

  307. Cameron Says:

    Wow, my mistake. The whole Rangers team gave a ginger ale celebration after the win because Josh Hamilton and CJ Wilson don’t drink. They broke out champagne later, but I thought that was a cool moment.


  308. Chuck Says:

    Winter leagues don’t start until November, and, yeah, there are age requirements.

    Besides, imagine Washington’s $9 million investment walking down some sleazy street in Venezuela and getting snatched for ransom.

  309. Chuck Says:

    “You’d drill him.”

    Fuckin’ A.

  310. Hartvig Says:

    Raul- When I was looking to see how good a prospect you would need to be to skip AAA the first name I checked was… Randy Velarde. (cue music from the Twilight Zone)

    And a line I stumbled across I know most of the old timers like me will be able to identify:
    1951 20 Min AA AAA NYG 35 164 149 38 71 18 3 8 30 5 14 10 .477 .524 .799 1.323 119

  311. Chuck Says:

    Willie Howard Mays

  312. Jim Says:

    Randy must have swung a pretty mean stick.

  313. Hartvig Says:

    The one and only.

    And I’ve got to pull for the underdogs (Texas & San Francisco) but if the Giants do make it those damned road uniforms are going to look like some sort of Halloween theme- the NL team play on the road Oct 31st.

  314. Chuck Says:

    You know, I really have no interest in seeing Harper play.

    Looking at the schedule there’s really only one game, maybe two, I can see without changing my work/home schedule.

    Don’t see a need.

  315. Chuck Says:

    Red Sox pitching prospect Casey Kelly is back in the AFL and is on the hill today.

    Last year, he was in the AFL as a shortstop.

  316. Bob Says:

    My understanding was that he prefered playing shortstop out of high school, but the Sox prefered him as a pitcher. He was going to be the quarterback for Tennessee if he did not get a suitable contract from the Sox.

  317. Bob Says:

    Player A in the post-season. 57 IP, 32 hits, 11 walks 61 strikeouts, 2 homers allowed.

    Player B in the post-season. 56.1/3 innings pitched 32 hits 11 runs 54 strikeouts, 1 homer allowed.

    Player A is Sandy Koufax
    Player B is Cliff Lee

  318. Chuck Says:

    I saw a news report today that said Wayne Gretzky’s youngest son will play for Tony Gwynn at San Diego State.

    As a senior, he hit .341 with 2 homers and 33 RBI.

    And for that he gets a full ride to a Division I school?

    Shit, I beat those numbers as a junior AND a senior, and came close as a sophomore.

    And all I ended up with was a partial ride to some Division II program.

  319. Chuck Says:

    Sorry, Bob, but all of Koufax’ numbers were posted when it mattered, the World Series.

    Lee’s numbers are similar, but they’re not even close in meaning.

  320. Cameron Says:

    Chuck, did it mention anything about his glove or legs? There might be something there that we aren’t seeing.

    …Or it could be the fact daddy was The Great One.

  321. Bob Says:

    Couple of things. Is Gwynn going to coach this year?
    The school will end up making money because people want to see Wayne Gretzxy’s son, and perhaps Janet Jones at the games. And what sort of competiton did he face in high school?

  322. Chuck Says:

    “Or it could be the fact daddy was The Great One”

    That’s what I’m thinking.

  323. Chuck Says:

    Hey Cameron, did you see where BA compared Kila to Garrett Jones?

    Got a kick out of that one.

  324. John Says:


    I’m guessing it’s because no one looks at stats for high schoolers.

  325. Chuck Says:


  326. Cameron Says:

    Nah, can’t find it. Link, Chuck? To be fair, Garrett Jones was AAAA for a while, but he’s doing alright for himself. Not great, but good. At this point though, Kila’s expendable between Butler and Hosmer. He’d be a first baseman on some teams (at this rate, I think the Dodgers would take anybody over James Loney), but he’s a bench bat here.

  327. Raul Says:

    Yankees can’t decide between Hughes or Pettitte for Game 2.

    I think they should pitch Hughes in Game 2, because I’d rather have Pettitte go up against Cliff Lee in Game 3.

    Not that I think Hughes would feel a ton of pressure but if the Yankees split the first two, that 3rd game becomes very important and I’d want Pettitte’s experience.

  328. Chuck Says:

    I want Hughes at home.

    Pettitte can pitch anywhere, I’m sure he wouldn’t mind pitching in Texas.

  329. Chuck Says:

    You need a subscription for it, Cam.

    I copy/pasted

    “Omaha first baseman Kila Ka’aihue, and yes he has used up his prospect eligibility. Ka’aihue was neck-and-neck with Trumbo for that No. 20 spot. He’s got leverage in his swing and outstanding discipline. One scout said he could see a Garrett Jones-type story happening with Kila.

  330. Cameron Says:

    Yeah, I could see that. Kila’s got the raw power, but not the ability to be a great homer guy. You can hear how hard he hits the ball, but he’s never gonna be more than 25 HR material at his best. Not bad, but we’ve got better.

    Texas has young pitching out the ass and a need for a first baseman who doesn’t blow. We could probably get something.

  331. Chuck Says:

    Jones hit the longest HR I’ve seen at Surprise Stadium..he was here for the AFL and hit one that cleared the bullpen, the grass picnic area, walkway, boundry fence and landed in the street, easily 450 in the air.

  332. Mike Felber Says:

    Thanks Lefty. WAR uses .320 as a(n AAA) replacement level win % Chuck. I wanted informed opinions re: the distinction between the best minor leaguers & the Show. It seems that while poor/replacement level ML talent is copious, but to be good, that is uncommon.

    though I have not infrequently seen players not achieve at the much lower rate you would expect when moving up to The Show. So if a guy has near the same stats after coming up, usually we can assume that he brought his game up beyond what is reflected by the box scores, right?

  333. Chuck Says:

    Bobby Valentine withdrew his name from both the Marlins and Mets’ jobs.

    Looks like he’s the man in Seattle.

  334. Chuck Says:

    Mike, it’s consensus the biggest jump a player will make in his career, save from amateur to pro, is the jump from AAA to the major leagues.

    There is some opinion it’s the jump from AA to AAA, and while I can see their point, I don’t agree.

    Once you get to that point, the game is much faster, much more precise, and guys with questionable overall skills get filtered out.

  335. Cameron Says:

    I’m assuming they’re talking about the biggest single-level jump Chuck? Because AA to ML is a fuck of a jump.

  336. Chuck Says:

    Yes, single level.

    But how many guys DO jump from AA to ML..and stay there?

  337. Cameron Says:

    The only one that comes to mind is Miguel Cabrera, Mike Stanton might. It’s just something I see happen from time to time.

  338. Chuck Says:

    There’s exceptions to every rule, obviously, but the vast majority of guys should spend a full season at each level until they reach AAA, and maybe more.

  339. Raul Says:

    What happens with Montero next year, Chuck?
    I’m not so sure the Yankees will trade him. The Yankees don’t really have much power from the right side except for A-Rod, and they can’t depend on the switch hitting of Tex and Posada.

  340. Cameron Says:

    Yeah, but Montero doesn’t have a glove that lets the team feel comfortable having him there, and he’s not going to force Tex off of first.

    Cincy’s trying to do the same with Yonder Alonso. He’s not good enough to catch, so they’re hoping they can get Yonder hitting enough to keep him in first and force Votto to left. It’s kind of nuts, but no one wants to pick up Alonso in a trade so it’s their only option.

    With catchers in the wings and Tex firmly in first, either they get the balls to admit “This kid can’t catch but his bat’s so good, we’re raising him as our DH,” something no organization wants to just come out and say, or they trade him.

  341. Chuck Says:

    That’s a real good point, Raul, and while I agree with you, I’m not convinced the Yanks won’t trade him if the right opportunity comes up.

    Montero hits like a lefthanded pull hitter. I’ve honestly never seen a player with his supposed power reputation hit so many balls to the opposite field. A few people I know say he’ll hit 40 HR a year playing in New York because he’ll just drop balls over the RF wall, but what they don’t, or won’t, realize is that ML pitchers won’t let him.

    Montero’s a one dimensional player..DH. If he makes the Yankees roster they STILL will need to carry a backup catcher and a RH OF, so it makes no sense to me that they do.

    Another problem the Yanks have is not only does Posada suck, so does Cervelli. Maybe the Yanks can get Victor Martinez on the cheap and have him and Posada split catching/DH duties and they could send Cervelli back to Scranton where he belongs and use Montero as bait.

  342. Chuck Says:

    The Reds aren’t going to move the NL MVP to LF to make room for a guy who can’t play.

    Alonso is gone.

    Reds will trade him just to get rid of him.

    The Yanks should do the same with Montero, but they’re too afraid of the media criticism, especially considering their success rate (cough, cough) with International players.

    I saw probably 30 Scranton games online this year and Montero is the worst catcher I’ve ever seen. He fucking blows.

    And before anybody says anything about his offense, remember, he played good for 40 games, and sucked for 80.

    I don’t like those odds, either.

  343. Raul Says:

    I meant Montero would be the DH.
    The Yankees could put him there and live with that for a year or so.

  344. Chuck Says:

    Wow, looks like the Cubs are going to experiment with Josh Vitters at first base.


  345. Cameron Says:

    It was their intention and they’re hoping Alonso could make room. While he’s good, Votto’s best at first and the outfield for the Reds was good. Their best return is on a trade.

    Still, I kind of like having talented prospects competing for spots. Still, it shouldn’t go on that long.

    Also, I had a strange little idea. In looking at options for baseball teams, New Orleans is becoming a more viable market with restoration efforts going well. After the Saints won the Superbowl (at this rate, something they’re not doing again this year. Losing to the Cardinals, WTF?) they could be a good city.

    …But don’t upgrade the minor league stadium to major league capacity. As stupid as it sounds, I’d want the MLB team to play in the Superdome. I’d see if I could get to call them the Saints as well and play off the branding. There could be a legal way to do that. If I could get the Saints ownership to buy into the team, they could have a say in naming the team and as owners of the copyright, could use it as they wish. While it’s a football stadium, the fans love the place and with baseball there, there’s pretty much year-round tickets.

    Sure there’s the matter of if we get to when football season starts, but you could request scheduling to make sure there’s no conflicts between the NFL Saints and the MLB Saints.

    And the New Orleans Zephyrs? They become the AAA franchise and play on days the Saints are on the road.

    Just a model I kick around in my head. I think it’s a fun little dream, and it’s replaced my New Montreal Expos and Las Vegas Kings fantasies.

  346. Chuck Says:

    “I meant Montero would be the DH.”

    Yeah, but like I said, why do that?

    At least if Kearns or Thames is there, they can play in the field if need be.

    Montero wastes a roster spot, because he can’t play anywhere else.

  347. Chuck Says:

    I know the Reds had talked about moving Votto, but I think that ship sailed awhile ago.

    Tampa needs a first baseman, they also need to make room for Jeremy Hellickson.

    I could see a Wade Davis for Alonso deal, with maybe some fill-in pieces included just for laughs.

  348. Raul Says:


    But Montero will likely hit a lot better than Kearns and Thames. And if the Yankees are so concerned with the roster spot, carry 1 less reliever. I mean who really gives a damn about Chad Gaudin or Sergio Mitre?

  349. Chuck Says:

    Yeah, I suppose, but I’m not willing to bet my house on a 21 year old who can’t pull minor league pitching.

    I’m probably wrong, because I usually am, (right, John?) but I don’t think Montero’s going to do shit in the major leagues.

    Remember Mat Gamel, that big time Brewers prospect from a couple of years ago that tore up the minors for a couple of years?

    He gets to the major leagues and all of a sudden he can’t get the ball out of the infield.

    Minor league pitchers throw with their arms, major league pitchers throw with their heads.

    If a batter has a weakness, they will find it.

  350. John Says:

    “I’m probably wrong, because I usually am, (right, John?) ”

    You did finish dead last in the DC Challenge Standings.

    Of course, I finished 2nd-last.

  351. Chuck Says:

    As long as you beat me, it was a good year, right?


  352. Raul Says:


    I mean there is that 3rd baseman with the Angels…

  353. John Says:


    That’s our philosophy with Navy football.

    We could go 0-10 to start the year, but as long as we beat Army – it’s a good year.

    The converse is also true, but we’ve beaten them 8 years in a row, so it’s all good.

  354. Chuck Says:


    Yesterday, first AFL game, Wood singles to center his first three times up.

    All with two strikes.

    If he had that same approach in LA, he’d be an All-Star.

    Dude’s playing for his life right now.

  355. Chuck Says:


    My brother was in the Navy for ten years. I used to rag on him all the time about how it must have felt when he got out and could actually wear colored panties.

  356. Chuck Says:

    “I mean there is that 3rd baseman with the Angels”

    Who just went yard.

    Five hits in two games.

    Did he even have five hits this season?

  357. Chuck Says:

    By the way.

    AFL single game and season HR record holder?

    Brandon Wood.

  358. Raul Says:

    I’m embarrassed that I looked this up, but Brandon Wood had 33 hits this season…in 226 at bats

  359. Chuck Says:

    “I’m embarrassed that I looked this up,”

    Not as embarrassed as Wood.

  360. Raul Says:

    Watched the Yankees-Rangers game today.

    Some good contact from the Rangers today in a 7-2 win.
    It probably wouldn’t have made a difference since the Yankees couldn’t really hit well today, but….

    Has anyone else noticed that Jorge Posada is absolutely horrible at framing pitches?

    I’m not saying Hughes pitched awesome today, but Posada really didn’t help him. Maybe it’s just me. I just felt Hughes threw some pitches that were strikes and they weren’t called. I would have been upset at the umpire except the same pitches were called for Texas because Molina framed pitches perfectly.

    Anyway, it sucks that I wasn’t able to watch the Phillies/Giants game because Fox decided to fight with Cablevision — my local tv provider.

  361. Chuck Says:

    I watched Game One and as soon as Hamilton hit his HR in the first I texted a buddy and said it wasn’t Sabathia’s fault, it was Posada’s.

    Just look at the pitch sequence


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