Third Annual Dugout Central Challenge — NL Predictions

by KerryWhisnant

A couple of weeks ago, Dugout Central staff and readers were challenged to predict win totals for all thirty MLB teams. A total of six entries were received. In this article the predictions for the NL presented; the AL predictions were given yesterday. For details about the contest rules, see the original article.

Here are the predictions, by division, in alphabetical order. The Over/Under win totals from BookMaker are also shown.

NL East Atl Fla NYM Phi Was
John Bowen 88 82 74 95 69
Jon Ellis (Seven) 92 82 81 95 70
Patrick Greco 84 82 74 95 64
Chuck Johnson 81 88 84 92 70
Bob Owens 95 77 66 94 65
Kerry Whisnant 90 83 82 87 69
Average 88.3 82.3 76.8 93.0 67.8
Over/Under 88.5 81.5 75.5 95.5 72.5

In the NL East the Phillies are favored by everyone except for Bob and I, who chose Atlanta. The Nationals are expected to be bad by everyone.

NL Central ChC Cin Hou Mil Pit StL
John Bowen 78 93 67 91 61 85
Jon Ellis (Seven) 80 88 75 84 58 82
Patrick Greco 80 87 74 82 62 84
Chuck Johnson 79 85 60 83 73 81
Bob Owens 72 73 66 97 65 86
Kerry Whisnant 76 89 66 79 64 87
Average 77.5 85.8 68.0 86.0 63.8 84.2
Over/Under 82.5 85.5 70.5 85.5 66.5 83.5

Cincinnati is the overwhelming favorite to repeat in the NL Central, except for Bob, who thinks they will have a big setback and be replaced by Milwaukee. Once again Houston and Pittsburgh are expected to trail the field, although by varying degrees.

NL West Ari Col LAD SDP SFG
John Bowen 67 85 76 74 88
Jon Ellis (Seven) 66 85 83 78 90
Patrick Greco 71 85 85 75 93
Chuck Johnson 72 87 79 80 90
Bob Owens 82 85 87 71 101
Kerry Whisnant 73 81 86 85 94
Average 71.8 84.7 82.7 77.2 92.7
Over/Under 72.5 87.5 83.5 74.5 87.5

The Giants are favored unanimously to repeat in the NL West again – the only one of six division winners we completely agreed on. Arizona is the clear favorite to claim the cellar. I am the only one to have the Padres over .500 again.

Wild card votes were all over the map, with St. Louis, Colorado, Los Angeles, Florida, Atlanta, Milwaukee and Philadelphia all getting a vote or part of a vote — there were some wild card ties, and the contestants were not asked explicitly to choose a wild card team.

Bob Owens had the most extreme pick, predicting Cincinnati to win only 73 games, 12 games below any other prediction.

As a group we predicted the Giants to win 5.2 games more than the Vegas line, our most optimistic choice. We were most pessimistic on the Cubs and Nats, 5.0 and 4.7 below the Vegas line, respectively.

Updates will be provided periodically throughout the year using winning percentages, so there’s nowhere to hide, and may the best prognosticator win!

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323 Responses to “Third Annual Dugout Central Challenge — NL Predictions”

  1. John Says:

    Man, Bob…really made some bold predictions, huh?

    For whatever its worth, I didn’t deviate too much on my predictions (from the average). I picked the Central to be a lot stronger than the Vegas odds…and that was considering Wainwright’s injury (I originally had the Crew, Reds, and Cards each with 90+).

  2. Bob Says:

    Only one way to live. Go out on a limb!!!

  3. Raul Says:

    In response to Bob’s comment:

    “You’ve got to go out on a limb sometimes because that’s where the fruit is.” — Will Rogers

  4. KerryWhisnant Says:

    Bob did make some bold predictions. There’s also “No guts, no glory,” although I’m not sure it applies here

    Regarding fruit out on a limb, sometimes the branch breaks before you get the fruit :-)

  5. Chuck Says:

    Conspicuous in his absence is Thomas Wayne.

    I can see him, sitting in front of his computer, four day beard, same clothes, empty Jack bottles lying around, figuring out a way to pick the Cardinals to finish first.

    Finally, he just said “Fuck it” and decided not to submit an entry.

  6. John Says:

    Yeah, I just can’t see them in the thick of things for very long without WainO.

    Of course, my prediction for them is about the same as the average finish for the NL Central winner. So…we’ll see.

  7. Bob Says:

    Well, then, Thomas better get his ass to the liquor store if his bottles are empty. Other than that, what a life.

  8. KerryWhisnant Says:

    I emailed Thomas about that, but he said he was “out of the loop” the last couple of weeks (meaning he actually had a life, I guess), so he missed out.

    I was going to use his picks from the two DC articles he posted a while back, but the number of wins added up to 2482 instead of 2430.

  9. KerryWhisnant Says:

    “I can see him, sitting in front of his computer, four day beard, same clothes, empty Jack bottles lying around, figuring out a way to pick the Cardinals to finish first.”

    It kind of pained me not to pick the Cards first, but I go with the numbers, and especially after Wainwright went down, they just weren’t there. But if McClellan can pitch reasonably well, it might only cost them a game or two. Yesterday was encouraging: after giving up 2 runs in the first, he shut down the Bucs after that (I know, it was only Pittsburgh).

  10. John Says:

    I’m gonna tune into the Pirates-Cardinals game if MLBtv can stop sucking for a second. See how Carpenter looks…

  11. Raul Says:

    3 errors for the Mariners today.
    That has to hurt Felix as he allowed just 2 ER.

    Hellickson strikes out 10 and loses.

    Matt Thornton blows a save to KC just now, so that’s gotta help my fantasy team…douchebag.

  12. brautigan Says:

    Soria gave up 4 runs so that K.C. can make it 5 last at bat comebacks.

  13. Raul Says:

    KC couldn’t find anyone better than Chris Getz to play 2B?

    Seriously?

  14. Chuck Says:

    “KC couldn’t find anyone better than Chris Getz to play 2B.”

    Mike Aviles is the regular 2b, they just have him playing third for a month while they wait for Mike Moustakas’ arbitration clock to stop ticking.

  15. Raul Says:

    So Moustakas is expected to come up?

    I thought Hosmer was more ready. But with Kila and Butler there, I doubt Hosmer makes an appearance — unless Kila is traded and Butler becomes full-time DH.

    How about Kila to Seattle for a middle reliever? I dunno. Aaron Laffey. He’s a lefty arm KC could stash in the bullpen. Who cares how good he is? It’s about freeing up space for Hosmer.

    Seattle could probably use a DH bat. Jack Cust? I gotta think Kila is better than Cust. Or keep Cust. Whatever. Bradley is out after this season. Saunders in LF, Gutierrez in CF, Ichiro in RF. If you want, keep Cust as a reserve (crappy) outfielder.

    LOL I’m a terrible GM.

  16. Raul Says:

    From an article on Bleacher Report, questioning whether Sabathia should have pitched more:

    “Sabathia was up to 104 pitches—a lot for the average pitcher, but Sabathia is a workhorse. Last season, he averaged 105.4 pitches per start.”

    Hey now! That guy’s a workhorse. 105.4 pitches? Quick! Somebody get the IcyHot and 2 bags of ice. Pronto!

    You’ve got to be kidding me. 105 pitches is a workhorse? That’s an insult to actual horses everywhere.

    And for the record, I think Sabathia should have, at the very least, come out to start the 8th.

  17. Chuck Says:

    “I thought Hosmer was more ready”

    Apples and oranges.

    Personally, I think Moustakas is a little ahead, but, like you said, KC doesn’t “need” Hosmer as badly because of the presence of Butler and Kila.

    Kila’s keeping first base warm too, no doubt. As soon as the Royals think Hosmer’s ready, Kila’s back in Hawaii picking pineapples.

  18. Chuck Says:

    ““Sabathia was up to 104 pitches—a lot for the average pitcher, but Sabathia is a workhorse”

    So, 104 pitches is average, and 105 is a workhorse?

  19. John Says:

    Sabathia is a horse.

    But not based on anything he’s been allowed to do in NY.

  20. Raul Says:

    I think I’m going to buy this MLB.tv thing to watch games on my computer, because I can’t get the YES Network without paying for some pussyshit sports package that costs like $10 a month.

  21. Raul Says:

    Tim Lincecum has 10 strikeouts in 4.2 innings.

  22. Raul Says:

    Ryan Howard is starting the season hot and Mike Pelfrey was rocked for the 2nd straight start.

  23. Chuck Says:

    The Rockies put Ubaldo Jimenez on the 15 day DL because of a cut on the cuticle of his right thumb.

    Pussy.

  24. Raul Says:

    How long does that even take to heal?
    3-4 days? You wouldn’t have to miss a start.

  25. Chuck Says:

    Stanton comes back on Friday, Raul.

  26. Raul Says:

    Nice. I’ll have to plug in Valencia for Longoria for a few weeks but I think I’ll be in decent shape.

    It’s probably a fluke but I guess I’ll start Howie Kendrick over Danny Espinosa since Kendrick has been pretty hot so far.

  27. John Says:

    MLB.tv is awesome – and if you want MiLB tv, its only an extra 10$.

    I highly recommend it – unless you share a network with 4500 other people like me lol.

    It’s got a corner screen function too…if you wanna keep tabs on a fantasy starter or something. There are split screen modes too, but I can usually only focus on one game at a time.

  28. Cameron Says:

    “So Moustakas is expected to come up?

    I thought Hosmer was more ready. But with Kila and Butler there, I doubt Hosmer makes an appearance — unless Kila is traded and Butler becomes full-time DH.

    How about Kila to Seattle for a middle reliever? I dunno. Aaron Laffey. He’s a lefty arm KC could stash in the bullpen. Who cares how good he is? It’s about freeing up space for Hosmer.

    Seattle could probably use a DH bat. Jack Cust? I gotta think Kila is better than Cust. Or keep Cust. Whatever. Bradley is out after this season. Saunders in LF, Gutierrez in CF, Ichiro in RF. If you want, keep Cust as a reserve (crappy) outfielder.

    LOL I’m a terrible GM.”

    If I’m trading for anyone, I’m going to see if Billy Beane will take him for Rich Harden. Richie has health issues, but he’s a huge live arm when he’s healthy.

  29. Cameron Says:

    “Sabathia is a horse.

    But not based on anything he’s been allowed to do in NY.”

    Didn’t he post back-to-back shutouts on 2-3 days rest in Milwaukee?

  30. Raul Says:

    Thanks for the review on MLB.tv, John.

  31. Cameron Says:

    I think any talk of Brandon Belt being optioned back to Fresno to make room for Brian Wilson has been squashed. Travis Ishikawa has been sent optioned, Brandon Belt has no competition at first.

  32. Chuck Says:

    “Travis Ishikawa has been sent optioned, Brandon Belt has no competition at first.”

    Aubrey Huff

  33. Raul Says:

    Boston’s about to hit that 0-5.

    We all know Boston will get hot at some point, but for now…LOL

  34. Raul Says:

    And speaking of LOLs…

    A coworker who is a Red Sox fan said “That’s ok if Boston is 0-4, the 1998 Yankees started the season 0-3 so…”

    LOL

  35. Cameron Says:

    Well, yes, Huff, DeRosa, and Buster Posey, but they’re all the starters at other positions.

  36. John Says:

    Yeah…

    Belt’s got a solid glove, but you’re asking a lot of Torres to have him patrol between Huff and Burrell in a pretty big outfield.

    Cam,

    I think this was the conversation that Doug Melvin had with Ned Yost circa June, 2008:

    DM: Ok, now that we have this guy, I want you to get as many innings as you can out of him. Rack up 140 pitch-counts, 3-days rest, whatever.
    NY: But what if his arm falls off?
    DM: You don’t have to worry about that, for two reasons. 1) I’m going to fire you with 12 games left in the season, and then hire 671 year old Ken Macha to take over for 2009.
    NY: You’re gonna do wha-?
    DM: Secondly, there’s no fucking way in hell that I’ll possibly be able to afford the kind of money that he’s going to command. So use him, abuse him, do whatever. If his arm falls off, then that’s not our problem, it’s Brian Cashman’s.
    NY: Sorry, I’m a little hung up on the whole “I’ll be out of a job thin-
    Prince Fielder: Hey skip, the new guy just ate my share of the chili dogs!

  37. John Says:

    Oh boy.

    5-4 game, John Axford’s on the mound for the ninth…

  38. John Says:

    …first runner’s on…

  39. Raul Says:

    LOL @ John

  40. Cameron Says:

    John, that last line reminded yet again of my favorite Onion Sports article.

    http://www.onionsportsnetwork.com/articles/cc-sabathia-prince-fielder-keep-imagining-each-oth,2493/

  41. John Says:

    Nice start for Verlander.

    8 IP, 3 R, 9 K.

  42. John Says:

    haha Cam.

    I remember that article, it was pretty funny.

    They came out with one over the winter: Prince Fielder explains the arbitration process using 50 hotdogs.

  43. Chuck Says:

    I have MiLB.com

    There’s enough free MLB on TV that it kind of defeats the purpose of double dipping. $30 for the whole year..all AAA regular season games, a few lower class games and every All star game.

  44. John Says:

    So two of my fantasy pitchers are going against each other tomorrow…Shaun Marcum and Tommy Hanson.

    Guess which one I’m cheering for.

  45. John Says:

    Chuck,

    At least you’re a Yankees fan so you can watch them play at least once a week or so.

    Think I can do that as an out-of-market Brewers fan?

  46. John Says:

    Man, I wish I had this fantasy team in 2002.

    ARod, Manny, Soriano, Tejada are all on it.

  47. Chuck Says:

    Between MLB Network and ESPN, I see probably five Yankee games a month. That’s good enough for me.

    I get 162 Dbacks games, Braves on TBS, White Sox/Cubs on WGN, and there’s this station in Yuma that picks up Saturday and Sunday Padre games.

    So, really, I’m good.

    And I LIKE watching minor league games.

    And if I get bored, then I watch the Dbacks because, well, there’s no difference.

  48. John Says:

    I would see maybe 3 Brewer games all year…that’s not gonna do it for me.

  49. Chuck Says:

    The Giant’s Ramon Ramirez got a save in an 8-4 win.

    The threw two pitches.

    I was born 25 years too early.

  50. John Says:

    I’m sure there’s an old joke in there somewhere

  51. Chuck Says:

    “I’m sure there’s an old joke in there somewhere”

    You mean other than me?

    :)

    Beat you to it.

  52. John Says:

    Haha. +1 Chuck

  53. Raul Says:

    LOL @ that joke

  54. John Says:

    Our favorite player had a 2-R homer today :)

  55. Cameron Says:

    Modern Relievers: I could be one it’s so easy.

  56. Raul Says:

    Who?

  57. Raul Says:

    Oh. Shin-Soo Choo.

    Yeah. He’s batting .100 on the season. It’s all about the little improvements.

    :-)

    Just kidding.

  58. Raul Says:

    Two players getting appendectomies?

    I’m not accusing Matt Holliday or Adam Dunn of anything, but that just seems…odd.

    Can steroids or other PEDs cause appendicitis or other conditions that would require an appendectomy?

  59. Cameron Says:

    Nah, but athletes can fall prey to emergency appendicitis fairly easily. Usually it’s in more high-stress athletes (appendicitis knocked out Matt Cassell, the chiefs quarterback) for a couple of weeks, but really there’s no correlation between appendicitis and PED use.

    …Or between appendicitis and anything, really. It’s an odd little ailment.

  60. Cameron Says:

    Well, aside from abdominal trauma as the only non-biological possible trigger.

  61. KerryWhisnant Says:

    @33-34, 78 teams since 1919 have started 0-5; only 17 have ended up over .500 and only two won their division/league: 1995 Cin (85-59 in a short season) and 1974 Pit (88-74). Other decent records were LAD (92-70 in 1976), Mon (91-71 in 1987), Bal (90-71 in 1978), StL (86-68 in 1960) and NYY (86-68 in 1930). Only three made the play-offs and only one made the World Series.

  62. John Says:

    Kerry, out of curiosity, what program do you usually use when you run simulations?I was thinking about using Matlab to figure out how rare it would be for a team this good to start this bad.

    Thing is, I’ve had some interesting experiences with Matlab recently. I had to run an ODE for 10000 simulations…took like 8 hours.

  63. John Says:

    “Mon (91-71 in 1987)”

    Hey – I know how they got so good all of a sudden!

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/raineti01.shtml

  64. Chuck Says:

    There have been 85 teams in ML history to start the season 0-5.

    The number to make the postseason?

    Two.

    And one of those was in a strike shortened season.

    Just sayin’

  65. Bob Says:

    Yup. just sayin’ the Red Sox are fucked.

  66. Chuck Says:

    The White Sox DFA’d Lastings Milledge.

    I’m shocked.

  67. John Says:

    Meh.

    I’d push the panic button if they get swept by the Yankees. Not sure how they would react but…

    But the season’s still very young. And of those 78 or 85 or whatever teams, how many of them had that kind of a lineup? How many of them were coming off an 89-win season where they had seen most of their players get hurt and had gone out and acquired two big time all-stars?

    Great teams drop 5 in a row. It happens every season. The Red Sox are just dropping 5 at the beginning of the year.

    At the end of the day, this is a very good all-around team. They’ll come around. In the meantime, I replace Ellsbury with Cameron because he’s a better baseball player in almost every way. But I would’ve done that if the Red Sox had started out 5-0 and Ellsbury was hitting .400.

  68. KerryWhisnant Says:

    John@62, I use my own program, written in FORTRAN, to do my simulations.

    But to find the probability of a good team going 0-5 to start (or any team for that matter), you can make a crude guess by just taking their supposed WPct, subtract from 1.000 (i.e., use their losing Pct) and raise to the 5th power.

    So for a team with the talent to normally win 90 games, that’s a LPct of .444 and there’s a 1.7% chance to lose 5 in a row for any particular 5-game stretch. As you said, over the course of a season a good team is likely to do that at least once.

    For other W/L values, we get the following probablities:

    100 0.8%
    95 1.2%
    90 1.7%
    85 2.6%
    80 3.3%
    75 4.5%
    70 5.9%
    65 7.7%
    60 9.9%

    There’s probably a way of inferring Boston’s approximate underlying strength at a given confidence level from these numbers (e.g., there’s a 95% chance that they are at most a 95 win team), but I’m not good enough at stats to do it.

  69. KerryWhisnant Says:

    Regarding whether it was 78 or 85, I assume Chuck used or heard about another source that included the years before 1919 — I used the baseball-reference.com Game Finder.

  70. John Says:

    So for a 160-game stretch (neglecting the last two games) the odds of that happening at least once would be 1-((1-0.017)^32), or about 42%.

    Doesn’t make the 5-game losing streak seem that scare-inducing, does it?

  71. KerryWhisnant Says:

    It’s more complicated than that (there are actually 158 distinct but overlapping 5-game stretches in a 162-game season), but the net result is a fairly high percentage. If it just happens to occur in the first 5 games, you notice it more.

  72. John Says:

    Ok ok, that makes sense.

    Is it the same formula? That would yield about an 88% chance of that happening.

  73. John Says:

    Shaun Marcum just gave up a base hit on 0-2 with runners at 2nd and 3rd.

    That should never happen ever. Damnit.

  74. Raul Says:

    0-6

  75. John Says:

    Yup.

    Perfectly executed suicide squeeze, with the bunt coming from Asubriel (SIC, I’m sure) Cabrera.

  76. Raul Says:

    I think it matters how many games you are behind first place more than it matters how you start. Boston is capable of sweeping Baltimore very easily so they’ll be ok. Still, the more they lose the more concerned they have to be

  77. John Says:

    At this moment, the Red Sox need to make up a game per month.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’d be pretty pissed if I was a Sox fan.

    But still.

    156 more games.

  78. Raul Says:

    Six innings and 2 runs for AJ Burnett. Hey, considering how he pitched last year, I’ll take it. Even though for the money he’s getting he should go 7.

  79. Raul Says:

    Swept by Texas is one thing but swept by Cleveland? I think Boston needs to wake up.

  80. Chuck Says:

    96 pitches in six innings is a boatload.

    But not as bad as 99 in five, which is what Liriano accomplished.

  81. John Says:

    baby steps bro

  82. John Says:

    The Braves just lifted Tommy Hanson in favor of their LOOGY.

    To face Prince Fielder, you’re probably thinking. Right?

    Nope…Nyjer Morgan. Who’s admittedly hitting like .600 on the year so far.

  83. Chuck Says:

    Tommy Hanson could throw lefthanded and get out Nyjer Morgan.

  84. John Says:

    That was kind of my reaction. Morgan does have a double on the day, as well as a spectacular diving catch.

  85. John Says:

    bases loaded for Prince Fielder…

  86. John Says:

    Yuniesky Betancourt is being walked intentionally…to get to Morgan.

  87. Raul Says:

    I can’t believe that between 4 starts for Jon Lester and David Price, my fantasy team has zero wins to show for it.

    The offenses for Tampa and Boston is probably going to cost me a win this week.

    For goodness sakes, you got dominated by Edwin Jackson. Your entire team should be demoted to the Independent League.

  88. KerryWhisnant Says:

    John@72, it’s still more complicated because the 5-game sequences are overlapping (meaning there are correlations between them), but that’s closer to it, I think.

  89. Raul Says:

    This guy has Tommy Hanson on his roto team and he’s got him on his trading block.
    Frankly, I’m not sure why. I think Hanson is a good pitcher.

    I would say the bottom half of my starting pitchers on my roster are Ian Kennedy, Jhoulys Chacin, JA Happ and Brandon Morrow.

    I wonder if I should offer him Chacin for Hanson straight up. I know Chacin is going to be good, but I am tempted by Hanson because I think we’ve already seen what he can do.

    I doubt he’d take Happ for Hanson straight up. I mean I know he’s stupid for even having Hanson on his trading block, but is he THAT stupid?

  90. Chuck Says:

    ” doubt he’d take Happ for Hanson straight up. I mean I know he’s stupid for even having Hanson on his trading block, but is he THAT stupid?”

    Sounds to me like he has a surplus of pitching and is a bit thin offensively, and he’s panicking.

    And he’s willing to overpay for what he needs.

    I’d take a peek at his roster and see what he’s up to.

  91. John Says:

    Eh start low. See what happens. He’ll probably counter.

    I’ve got Hanson on my team. I also had Marcum. So there was a good chance I would get a win today…

  92. brautigan Says:

    Raul: Don’t trade Chacin. He will be as good as Hanson. Try Happ and Morrow/Kennedy first.

  93. Chuck Says:

    I’d trade Chacin before Kennedy.

  94. Cameron Says:

    Kennedy’s good, I’ll have fun watching him. I still think he’s the #2 on that team, damn the depth charts. Arizona’s building a good young pitching core, though. They just need a new bullpen and 3/4 of a new lineup. With luck, I think they’re gonna take Matt Purke in this draft, so there’s that to be excited about.

    On a sidenote, I talk to my White Sox fan buddy a few times a week and I LOVE bringing up how screwed they got in the Jackson trade.

  95. Chuck Says:

    Cam..I’m going to watch the Omaha game later on MiLB.com

  96. Cameron Says:

    Omaha’s got a nice little collection of talent.

    Eric Hosmer
    Mike Moustakas
    Johnny Giavotella
    Lorenzo Cain
    Clint Robinson
    David Lough
    Everett Teaford
    Danny Duffy
    Mike Montgomery

  97. Jim Says:

    After the debacle in Texas, I figured the RS would drop 2 of 3 in Cleveland with Dice-K or the bullpen winning the one game. To quote Gary Gaetti, “its hard to win with both hands wrapped around your throat,” though he said that about the Twins in a pennant race not the opening of the season.

    Even if they play well this weekend, dropping two of three to the Yanks wouldn’t be a shock. I could be a deep hole come Monday. It wouldn’t surprise me to see Cameron in center and Lowry at short Friday night.

  98. Raul Says:

    I think the Red Sox will test Russell Martin every time they get on base.

    This is a team that isn’t hitting right now and they’ll probably look to steal some bases, get in scoring position and hopefully take an early lead. If they can get up on NY early, it will be a nice boost to their confidence.

    Not that I think the veteran guys on Boston are lacking confidence, but some guys may be pressing.

  99. Raul Says:

    The Phillies dominated the Mets today, 11-0.

    And Charlie Manuel still let Roy Halladay stay out there for 113 pitches to complete 7 innings of work — at which point the score was 8-0.

    If it was Joe Girardi, Halladay would have been gone mid-way through the 5th, or possibly the 6th.

    Good sh*t, Charlie Manuel.
    You’re supposed to ride your horse. Not take him for a test drive like some yuppy bastard who gets a Lambourghini and has 12 miles on it after owning it for 7 years.

  100. Cameron Says:

    Eh, it’s 113 pitches over 7 innings. He was getting stretched out on the pitch count there. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not talking like 100 pitch counts, but he’d have been at around a 145 pitch complete game. Even for a good pitcher, 145 pitches is asking a lot out of a guy.

  101. Raul Says:

    Yeah, 145 would have been a lot. At least at this point in the season. And you should not have 145 pitches in a game where you lead 8-0, much less 11-0.

    But I see no reason why your top guy, and probably your 2nd starter should not consistently go 110-115 pitches, regardless of how many innings that is.

    Well, not regardless. If you throw 115 pitches in 5 innings, you suck.

    By the way, in that legendary Game 7 of the 1991 World Series, Jack Morris threw 126 pitches in his 10 innings.

  102. Cameron Says:

    Yeah. Given how long Roy was taking to finish his innings, I’d have sent him out in the 8th with a guy warming up in the bullpen and as soon as he gives up a hit, he’s getting yanked. I’m not letting a guy wear himself out this early in the season (or at any point in the season really). I can agree that you should ride your horse and a guy like Halladay can go for about 130 every start, but leaving Roy out there would stretch him out a bit.

    I’m with Charlie on this one, at least today.

  103. Cameron Says:

    Oof, tough break for Twins fans. Tsuyoshi Nishioka didn’t even make it a week into the season before Nick Swisher took a hard slide into him and broke his leg.

  104. Raul Says:

    I didn’t see the play but I hope it was clean.

    That said, I have to wonder what kind of play it was. Nick Swisher isn’t exactly fast and for him to really get up on you at 2nd base, it had to have been a super slow grounder or a late throw to the base. And if it was a slow bouncer, I’d lean towards blaming the infielder who threw him the ball.

  105. Cameron Says:

    It’s on Swisher, he slid into Nishioka to try and break up a double play, foot nailed him right in the lower leg. It was an intentional slide into the fielder.

    He hit Nishioka, but he failed to break up the DP. He made the throw either mid-tackle or post-tackle, but still launched a perfect shot to Morneau. Pretty slick fielding there.

  106. Chuck Says:

    It was clean.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=13546963&query=%26game_pk%3D286981

  107. Cameron Says:

    I saw the video and I still say it was intentional. I don’t think Swisher meant to break Tsuyoshi’s leg, but he was trying to fuck up his throw. It was a clean bit of fielding, but that was some “aggressive” baserunning. …Then again, I advocate that kind of play since it helps you win if you can fuck up a DP like that.

  108. Chuck Says:

    Bryce Harper singled and drove in a run in his first “official” professional atbat.

  109. Chuck Says:

    Of course it was intentional Cameron..to break up the DP, not to hurt Nishoilaear=aohqaa or whatever his name is.

  110. Cameron Says:

    Well, yeah. It was a clean throw to Tsuyoshi, but not necessarily what I’d call clean baserunning. I’ll be damned if I wasn’t gonna do the same thing if I had a guy as big as Swisher running at a guy as small as Nishioka.

  111. Raul Says:

    Look, I don’t want to be the guy that points out the negative even in positive things, but…

    I saw the highlight of Andruw Jones’ game-tying RBI double and while it was a nice hit, he really blew that pitch by being out in front.

    That was one flat pitch and had he stayed back he would have been able to put that ball deep into the stands.

    Maybe it’s just me. I’m not a hitting coach or anything, but holy fuck I thought he was WAAAY in front of that.

  112. Raul Says:

    It did look like Burnett’s slider had some bite today. He just needs to remember to throw his fastball because he really falls in love with that slider, and that’s when he gets all those walks.

  113. Raul Says:

    Saw the highlight on Nishioka’s injury.

    That wasn’t Valencia’s fault. He got rid of the ball on time. The throw wasn’t the best but it was there. Nishioka didn’t really have a sense of urgency. He probably didn’t expect Swisher to be right up on him.

    Frankly, if that’s anyone’s fault it’s Nishioka’s.

  114. Cameron Says:

    Swisher isn’t exactly a burner. There’s no real fault to place on anybody. Swisher was trying to break up the DP, not hurt him and Nishioka was trying to get rid of the ball, but he wasn’t trying to get it too urgently because Swisher’s not a speed demon.

    …Just bad luck?

  115. Raul Says:

    Some of the Outfielders on the Free Agent list in my fantasy league:

    Alfonso Soriano
    Brennan Boesch
    Travis Snider
    Lance Berkman
    Chris Heisey
    Tyler Colvin
    Marlon Byrd
    Jason Kubel
    Ben Francisco
    Cameron Maybin

    My Outfielders:

    Mike Stanton
    Cory Hart
    Angel Pagan
    Austin Jackson
    Andrew McCutchen
    Alex Gordon

    It’s way too early to really give up on any players, either via drops or trades. But do you guys think I’d be better off getting rid of Cory Hart or Austin Jackson for any of those players?

    It should be noted that in my league (for some stupid reason), it’s all a points-based system. You don’t necessarily have to win categories like Steals or OBP. I mean, you get points for Steals and Runs and negative points for things like Strikeouts and GIDP but it’s not set up like a Yahoo.com League.

    Man, I got zero points out of Evan Longoria and just 5 out of Mike Stanton. Talk about getting fucked.

  116. Cameron Says:

    Hart’s only on the DL for another week or so. I’d say MAYBE drop Jackson for Kubel, but you’re pretty set there.

  117. Chuck Says:

    Cameron, I’m turning on the Omaha game, I’ll blog it a bit if I can. Stick around.

  118. Cameron Says:

    Oh haha, a short joke.

    “(Tim) Collins brings new meaning to short relief.”

  119. Cameron Says:

    Keep an eye on David Lough, he’s another of those guys trying to muscle into the OF and I’m curious.

  120. Cameron Says:

    Albequerque Isotopes are the other team. …You’ve got Gordon, DeJesus, Sands, Robinson and that’s about it.

  121. John Says:

    Raul,

    Maybe dump Pagan? I mean, he’ll give you steals and maybe batting average, but the reason he’s such a good player is his defense in CF (which I’m guessing your league doesn’t count).

    “Man, I got zero points out of Evan Longoria and just 5 out of Mike Stanton.”

    It was his first year, and it was otherwise very good, but Stanton did strike out a ton last year. I wonder if that’s gonna underrate him substantially with the negative points for K’s. Or maybe that hole in his game will start to disappear.

  122. Cameron Says:

    Pagan’s got good speed and contact and decent power. He was an anchor for me in fantasy last season, ride him out and see if he’s still the same Pagan from last year. He’s a guy worth keeping if he is.

  123. Jim Says:

    @Raul #98 They’ll run on Martin if they get on base Ells 0.167, CC 0.174. Best steal defense is the have the guy sit in the dugout.

    That said home cooking and the merry crowd for the opener will likely bring the bats to life, but its tough to have confidence in Lackey.

  124. Chuck Says:

    Big fly for Clint Robinson

  125. Raul Says:

    I’m going to hold for now.

    I don’t know what will happen with Cory Hart. He could get injured again, and Stanton could pull his hamstring again and while Pagan or Jackson won’t produce what they can, they’re probably better than most of the FA options since they’re guaranteed playing time.

  126. Chuck Says:

    Mike Montgomery got tagged for four runs in the second.

  127. Cameron Says:

    Ouch…

  128. John Says:

    Yeah.

    But the same could be true of Soriano (who’s one of the 2002 all-stars on my team). Gets hurt all the time and isn’t even any good any more.

    Great signing Hendry.

  129. Cameron Says:

    He’s still fairly productive offensively, but he’s not worth nearly what he’s getting paid. Decent, but overpaid.

  130. John Says:

    Eh.

    110 OPS+ from your LFer?

    I have a hard time even calling that average.

  131. Chuck Says:

    Tie game.

    RBI single for Moose, then an error on a comebacker by Robinson scores two.

  132. Cameron Says:

    He doesn’t walk and his contact is below-average, but he’s still got okay wheels and power. He’s best as a platoon man, not an everyday player.

    And which Robinson, Clint or Trayvon?

  133. Raul Says:

    The crazy thing about Soriano is, his best year game in the city that he probably hated and did not want to play in at all — Washington in 2006.

  134. Chuck Says:

    Clint

    Trayvon’s on the other team.

  135. Cameron Says:

    I know that, I wanted to know which team scored the runs. XP

  136. John Says:

    Yeah…contract year. 40-40, and actually put up a decent OBP for once.

    His 02 season with the Yankees was pretty sick too. 51 doubles, 39 HR, 41 RBI.

  137. Chuck Says:

    “RBI single for Moose, then an error on a comebacker by Robinson scores two”

  138. Cameron Says:

    Ah, for some reason I couldn’t tell which team scored. Brain’s a little off tonight.

  139. Chuck Says:

    Montgomery relieved by Steven Shell, who promptly gave up five runs in a third of an inning.

    For those keeping score at home, that’s an ERA of 135.00

  140. Cameron Says:

    Yeah, in relief, you need a good pitcher like Teaford or Louis Coleman.

    Also, I was playing my MLB 2K10 game and after a year of owning it FINALLY pitched a legitimate perfect game. I pitched a couple before by saving after innings and restarting the game, but this was one sitting, of a perfect game. Holy shit.

    Funny thing, you don’t realize you’re throwing a perfecto until about the 7th or 8th inning.

    I pitched it with a player I’ve created in the create-a-player feature. He’s a 6′6″ 190 pound righty pitching for the Milwauke Brewers. Pitches are a fastball that sits in the high 90s with late life, a slider in the mid 80s with little break (need to work on that), and a changeup that only touches about 80 but with a curveball-esque break. He’s also only 20 years old.

    …Sadly, I threw it in Spring Training, so it’s not an official perfect game by the records.

  141. Cameron Says:

    My bad, the pitcher I used is only 19. He almost matched his age in strikeouts in that game too. Against the Reds.

  142. Raul Says:

    That’s awesome, Cam.

    I don’t think I’ve ever pitched a no-hitter or perfect game in any video game.

    I struck out a bunch, but that was years ago before the games got all complex.

  143. Cameron Says:

    I just popped it in, started throwing, the checked the scoreboard around the 7th inning and went “Wait a minute…”

  144. Raul Says:

    lol

    sometimes you get a little robotic.
    kind of how when I used to play Tekken 3 and would run through the game in minutes…

  145. Cameron Says:

    Little trickier in sports games. Especially when the AI is as buggy as 2K10, sometimes they just manage to get contact on everything. This time, I was just able to take that 98 MPH heater and paint the corners all day to a bullshit win.

  146. John Says:

    I definitely pitched a perfect game or two in backyard baseball with Frank Thomas as my pitcher.

    Yeah. He was 7/10 on hitting, but 10/10 on pitching. Didn’t really make sense to me…

  147. Cameron Says:

    Um… It’s a game designed for little kids. Logic doesn’t exist in that world.

  148. Bob Says:

    The Red Sox designated Dennys Reyes for assignment, and put Matt Albers on the DL. To take their spots are Felix Doubrant and Alfredo Aceves.

  149. Chuck Says:

    “Logic doesn’t exist in that world.”

    Sounds alot like saber..

    Never mind.

  150. Chuck Says:

    Brad Lidge out til the All Star break with a strained rotator cuff.

    Phillies are Phucked.

  151. Raul Says:

    lol, i think some stats analysis is helpful and nice to look at.

    I wouldn’t say sabermetrics lacks logic. I think they sometimes lack common sense. And I think that sometimes they go to extreme, detailed, long processes to arrive at answers that frankly, are the same as things people in baseball have known for over 100 years.

  152. Chuck Says:

    “The Red Sox designated Dennys Reyes for assignment, and put Matt Albers on the DL. To take their spots are Felix Doubrant and Alfredo Aceves.”

    It’s a start.

    Not.

  153. John Says:

    SABR lacks logic only if you feel like interpreting results as, for example:

    “Ben Zobrist was more valuable than Albert Pujols that one year”

    instead of

    “Ben Zobrist was one of the most valuable players in the game that one year, considering his position etc”

    For what its worth, I didn’t hear a single SABR guy actually say Zobrist was better than Pujols or shouldve won the MVP.

  154. John Says:

    “Phillies are Phucked.”

    You know what’s even worse than Lidge not pitching?

    Lidge pitching like he did two years ago.

    They’ll be fine.

    “And I think that sometimes they go to extreme, detailed, long processes to arrive at answers that frankly, are the same as things people in baseball have known for over 100 years.”

    Yes, sabermetrics can be used to show that player x “is/was good.”

    But the difference between now and 100 years ago?

    Organizations have to attach a price tag to every player’s value in order to properly determine the best possible way to allocate their funds. I don’t need sabermetrics to know that Albert Pujols is an all-time great. But is he 30M/yr for 10 STRAIGHT YEARS great? Frankly, I’m not sure (I doubt it though) And neither are the Cardinals. Sabermetrics isn’t there to tell them that he’s awesome, but rather how awesome. And what is the opportunity cost of that 30M/yr. What kind of talent can that money buy on the open market? What is the *approximate* value of that money in wins/year?

    That’s why 0-6 start or not, I think Theo’s a great GM. Yes, he wins because he has deeper pockets than all but one other team in baseball. But he spends his deep pockets on wise investments (I’m gonna have to eat my words if the Sawx keep this shit up).

    Jim Hendry has pockets ALMOST as deep as Theo’s and he spent 135 million dollars on OBP-killer Alfonso Soriano. A quick 3-yr analysis estimates his value at 2.7 WAR/year before the acquisition, or less than half a win above the average player. Maybe it’s not EXACTLY right…but it’s enough to tell me that Hendry messed up with this signing (as are the last couple years of Cubs baseball).

  155. Raul Says:

    John,

    Organizations have always had to attach a price tag to every player in order to best allocate their funds.

    That isn’t any different in 2011 than it was in 1911.

  156. Raul Says:

    As for wise investments, that Lackey deal was not one of them. Not that I’m basing his effectiveness on that one particular deal, but that one stands out as pretty poor, to me.

    And I think in the long run, the Crawford deal will go down as a bad one, too.

    Then there’s the 100 million they spent on Daisuke Matsuzaka, which may not have been (necessarily) a poor investment. But they certainly have managed him poorly.

  157. Raul Says:

    When I say “Not that I’m basing his effectiveness…”

    By “his”, I mean Epstein.

  158. John Says:

    In 1911, there was no free agency and there was a reserve clause.

  159. Lefty33 Says:

    “Brad Lidge out til the All Star break with a strained rotator cuff.

    Phillies are Phucked.”

    Actually Chuck I totally disagree.

    Lidge after this season is done in Philly injury or not and the team was already working on his replacement before he got hurt.

    Between Contreras, Madson, Mathieson, Schwimer, and Stutes the pen is covered on this level now and in AAA in case someone gets hurts or underperforms. (I personally think that Herndon is one bad outing away from having Mathieson or Stutes replace him now.)

    I Phils won’t miss Lidge at all.

  160. John Says:

    He also messed up when he traded Bronson Arroyo for Willie Mo Pena. And I think he traded Freddy Sanchez for Jeff Suppan. He’s not infallible.

    For the most part, his resources are spent wisely. If you’re in baseball expecting to be right 100% of the time, get out. That goes for players as well as GMs.

  161. Raul Says:

    John,

    My issue is that people seem to bring up Theo Epstein as a good GM because his teams win. But he has a lot of money to work with, and has made his mistakes.

    There are other teams that win and have money to work with and they don’t get the same credit that Epstein APPEARS to get — especially within the stats-minded (I won’t say SABR, necessarily) community.

    Anyway, forget about all that stuff. That’s been talked about a million times.

    John Lackey and Phil Hughes were disgusting today.
    Let’s go Royals!

  162. Raul Says:

    Nevermind that Royals comment. They’re getting smacked and Kyle Davies is on the mound.

    Ugh.

  163. Jim Says:

    MLB announced that Manny Ramirez has retired. no details

  164. Raul Says:

    6 games into the season?

  165. Jim Says:

    Ah, Man-ram was caught juicing again.

  166. Raul Says:

    I sincerely do not care.

    I’m tired of talking about steroids or PEDs or anything like that in baseball.

  167. Jim Says:

    I hear you

  168. Jim Says:

    exhale. the RS finally won one.

  169. Raul Says:

    It’s always good to get that home opener so that’s nice for Boston.

    However, John Lackey got the win while giving up 6 earned runs.
    Now THAT angers me.

  170. Cameron Says:

    “If the issues was a violation of the drug policy, Ramirez would have been suspsended for 100 games”. And after that is a lifetime ban. Manny just decided to say “fuck it” apparently.

    …And with over 200 million dollars in the bank, can you really blame him?

  171. Cameron Says:

    Not for steroids, I mean. I’m talking about retiring when you have enough money to not give a fuck about playing anymore.

  172. Cameron Says:

    “Nevermind that Royals comment. They’re getting smacked because Kyle Davies is on the mound.”

    Fixed.

  173. Bob Says:

    The Rangers are staying busy, signing Manny Corpas and claiming Ramon Aguero off waivers. And the Damondbacks sign Ron Mahay.

  174. Cameron Says:

    Ron Mahay was out of a job? Shame, guy’s a good bullpen piece.

  175. Raul Says:

    Adcock comes in for Kansas City and pitches 3.1 innings of scoreles, 4 hit, zero-walk baseball.

    KC may still lose, but it’s 5-2 Tigers and he gave his team a chance to come back. Nice job.

  176. Cameron Says:

    Adcock is REALLY impressing me for a kid who’s never pitched higher than A ball before.

  177. Raul Says:

    Nobody is talking about it because it’s early but Pujols is really struggling to get base hits.

  178. Cameron Says:

    Is it bad that I think the Yankees will bid on Albert Pujols this offseason despite having absolutely no room for him?

  179. Cameron Says:

    Wait, Swisher’s in a walk year I think. Shift Grandy to RF and Gardner to CF and… NO! BAD YANKEES FAN!

  180. Raul Says:

    I think the Yankees will kick tires on anyone.

    If scientists could recreate Babe Ruth from skin cells on his old uniform, the Yankees would grow his ass and sign him to a contract within a week.

  181. Bob Says:

    Atually, I do not thnk Pujols will have that many bidders. Boston and the Yankees are fne. The Mets have Ike Davis and no money. Perhaps the two Chicago based teams, and the Angels, along with St. Louis. I suppose Detroit could get nvolved, depending on their own 1st baseman. Atlanta hopes they are fne with Freeman
    If Pujols is willing to DH, he could increase the field a bit.

  182. Cameron Says:

    He doesn’t have many fits, but with a guy like Pujols, you’ll make room dammit.

  183. Raul Says:

    Pujols has a championship and is the best player in the game.

    His situation is a little different from Alex Rodriguez, where Alex was hungry to go to a winner and was willing to do anything to make it happen — hence, the position change.

    I don’t really know that Pujols is a super proud guy, but I highly doubt he will accept a contract to play another position. No amount of dollars will change that.

  184. Cameron Says:

    Depends on what he thinks he’s capable of. Albert just likes playing ball. The Cardinals moved him around because they wanted to, he’ll play wherever he’s needed on any given day. Check his game logs, he’s started at second base before. As long as he feel she’s getting the pay he deserves, he’ll play where you tell him.

  185. Chuck Says:

    Albert’s not leaving St. Louis.

    No way, no how.

    Can we stop now, please?

  186. Lefty33 Says:

    “Wait, Swisher’s in a walk year I think. Shift Grandy to RF and Gardner to CF and… NO! BAD YANKEES FAN!”

    There is a 10.25 million dollar club option for Swisher in ‘12 and I think there is a zero percent chance that Albert is anything other than a Cardinal for the rest of his career or as long as LaRussa is the manager.

  187. Raul Says:

    3-0 the Rockies over the Pirates now off a Jason Giambi home run.

    I didn’t know Giambi was still playing. I saw his ESPN profile photo and it’s weird to see him with gray hair. He’s 40 now. I didn’t think he’d manage to play this long.

  188. Raul Says:

    The fact that anyone would even WANT to play for LaRussa makes me question their character and intelligence. Sorry, but LaRussa is a fucking douchebag in every conceivable way.

  189. Raul Says:

    Great. Blown save. Fuck you Ryan Franklin.

  190. Cameron Says:

    Raul, I think Giambi’s on a 2 year deal with Colorado to be Todd Helton’s backup.

  191. John Says:

    I wouldn’t mind playing for LaRussa…

    if I was paid by the hour.

  192. Raul Says:

    LOL @ John

    2 year deal to backup Todd Helton?

    Todd Helton IS A BACKUP! LOL

  193. Cameron Says:

    If I pitched lefty, I’d love playing for Tony. Job security, man.

  194. Raul Says:

    Tampa Bay has scored 8 runs enroute to their 0-6 start.

    That’s disgusting.

  195. John Says:

    Well crap.

    Looks like I need to find a new fifth outfielder.

  196. John Says:

    Done. Dexter Fowler. SB’s baby.

  197. John Says:

    Ah yes. Brewers are wearing their throwbacks. Why the fuck did we ever change uniforms?

  198. Cameron Says:

    Cheese. It’s as good an answer as any.

  199. Jim Says:

    Raul @169 The starting pitching sucked on both sides of the field this afternoon.

    Albert isn’t leaving StL.

  200. Cameron Says:

    You ever BEEN to St. Louis? Trust me, it’s a good place to leave.

    Also, Bobby Jenks is awesome. He said Manny’s a nice guy, but… “You do it, you get caught, you’re an idiot. If you do it again you’re a dumbass,” said Jenks. “I mean, it’s sad to see. One of the greatest hitters, or one of them, to make the same mistake twice, same bad choice.”

  201. John Says:

    Dude’s gonna break the bank with his new deal.

    He’s not gonna sign for 6y/60M just cuz.

  202. Cameron Says:

    St. Louis.. Ugh, outside the arch it’s pretentious white pricks (Your typical Cardinals fans. Trust me, they just act nice, but they’ve got that typical suburban WASPy attitude about them that makes my skin crawl) or it’s ghettotastic (Remember that scene in National Lampoon’s Vacation where they get their hubcaps stolen while getting directions. They’re lucky it was just the hubcaps.)

    …That and some piss-poor barbecue, but I’ve lived in KC so long I just developed a natural intolerance for non-KC barbecue.

  203. John Says:

    Haha. The way Cardinals fans react to Brewer celebrations is pricless.

    “I hear they have some rift-raft on their team who untuck their shirts after they win. How barbaric!”

  204. Cameron Says:

    Yep. Every Cardinals fan I’ve met is basically a Ned Flanders clone.

  205. Lefty33 Says:

    “Raul, I think Giambi’s on a 2 year deal with Colorado to be Todd Helton’s backup.”

    Giambi signed a one year deal for 1.75 in ‘10 and is on a one year deal for 1.0 this year.

  206. Cameron Says:

    Giambi really likes it in Colorado and says he still has a couple of years left in the tank. He may be back in ‘12 in some capacity.

  207. Lefty33 Says:

    That Colorado air has artificially extended many a career and so far it looks good for Giambi too.

    .307/.440/.520/.960 at Coors versus .198/.328/.307/.635 on the road in ‘10.

    Real hard choice for him to make to stay in Colorado.

  208. Lefty33 Says:

    “I wouldn’t mind playing for LaRussa…

    if I was paid by the hour.”

    Or if I’m a reliver by the appearance.

  209. Jim Says:

    Cameron @200 I lived in StL for 6 years. But I sense a bit of KC boy cross state rivalry shtick.

    Albert’s not leaving the gateway city, no other team will pony up the dollars including Boston and NYY, as neither team has enough extra in their payroll budgets after meeting the current commitments. The Cards will need to sweeten their offer, say 8 years at 25M per.

  210. John Says:

    Jim,

    I think that’s probably what’s going to happen too.

    Just sayin’…not gonna be because of a hometown discount.

  211. Cameron Says:

    Okay, St. Louis isn’t THAT bad. …Place still sucks though. Good for a stop on vacation, but it’s not worth more than a week’s stay.

  212. Chuck Says:

    To fail a drug test AFTER testing becomes law, you have to be a complete moron. To fail a drug test twice, you just have to be Manny.

  213. Raul Says:

    Cleveland is the first team to score 10 runs in an inning this season, putting up 10 in the 4th inning against Seattle.

    Cleveland leads 12-1 in the bottom of the 5th.

    10 years ago, on August 5th, 2001 the Mariners were up 14-2 at Cleveland but the Indians scored 12 runs in the 7th, 8th and 9th enroute to a 15-14 win in the 11th inning.

  214. Raul Says:

    Cincinnati started the day tied with the White Sox with 45 runs scored to lead the majors.

    Ian Kennedy held them to 1 run through 8 innings.

  215. Chuck Says:

    I’m watching the game, Raul.

    He’s just playing catch with Montero.

    I’m thinking the Yanks would probably want a do-over on that trade.

  216. Chuck Says:

    It took five unearned runs in the ninth inning for the Rays to end their losing streak.

  217. Raul Says:

    I just can’t understand why they traded him, Chuck.
    I really can’t.

    When they traded him, I remember wondering “why?”.

    Kennedy is a kid with command of 4 pitches and has won at every level. And not some small school out in Maine or something. He did well at USC.

    He dominates in the minors. Comes up to NY…does well for 2 or three starts in September one year…..then the next two years he struggles in call-ups and they get rid of him.

    My guess is, they figured they would have a potent punch in Hughes and Chamberlain. Well, everyone knew Hughes was Starter material, but they got caught up in the Joba hype and kept him. At the time, I was caught up a little in the Joba hype, but in the back of my mind I had reservations about his ability to start and even then I figured Kennedy was the safer, more reliable choice.

    I can’t say that Kennedy will necessarily “haunt” the Yankees. I don’t see him as a potential Cy Young winner. But he may end up a bit like…Doug Drabek? Drabek ended up being pretty damn good. I think Drabek actually did win a Cy Young though.

  218. Raul Says:

    Actually, I take that back.

    Doug Drabek probably DID haunt the Yankees, considering how bad they were in those early 90s years.

  219. Cameron Says:

    Doug Drabek did indeed win the 1990 NL Cy Young Award.

  220. Chuck Says:

    “Doug Drabek did indeed win the 1990 NL Cy Young Award.”

    I bet his kid doesn’t.

  221. Chuck Says:

    I thought the same thing, Raul.

    Teams were actually asking for Joba, the Yanks kept saying no.

    “We want Joba.”

    “No, how about Kennedy”?

    There were enough signs there before the trade that Joba was all hype and Kennedy had the makings of a pretty good pitcher.

    I, mean, he’s the number ONE starter in Arizona, for chrissakes.

    And, yeah, I know number one in AZ is number three everywhere else, but, still.

    Number one is number one.

  222. Cameron Says:

    ““Doug Drabek did indeed win the 1990 NL Cy Young Award.”

    I bet his kid doesn’t.”

    I’m with you on that. He pitches in the AL in 2011.

  223. Lefty33 Says:

    Kyle isn’t winning a CYA this year but his first two starts have been very good.

    Too many walks tonight but he still pitched well enough to get the W.

    Six hits and one earned over six with five K’s.

  224. Raul Says:

    I look at a guy like Cliff Lee, who a lot of people might consider an Ace and when comparing stuff, I think Ian Kennedy matches up pretty well and probably better since Kennedy can throw more at you.

    Can Kennedy develop Lee’s control and command? Who knows. Then again, who knows how long Cliff Lee can continue this lucky streak he’s on (yes, I consider Lee to be lucky).

    Kennedy won 9 games last year for a pretty bad baseball team, in only his first full year as a major league starter. I don’t know much about this Hudson kid but Arizona appears to have a decent front line in the future.

  225. Lefty33 Says:

    @ Chuck-

    So today I go and look to see how my boy Andy Tracy is doing for Reno so far only to see that both of the Aces first two games have been postponed due to snow in Salt Lake City.

    I also looked at their roster and saw that apparently the D-Backs now follow the Phillies with the Senior Center in AAA.

    The infield looks like Tracy at 37, Cody Ransom at 35, Robby Hammock turns 34 next month, and the kid of the infield might be Josh Wilson at 31 or Sean Burroughs at 31.

    I mean shit it seems like the guys in AAA get older and older every year.

  226. Raul Says:

    Jose Tabata got the game-winning hit today and he’s off to a nice start.

    He should be a nice hitter for Pittsburgh.
    Still, the Yankees were right to get rid of him.

  227. Raul Says:

    LOL @ Lefty in #225

    I might have some glove oil in case you want to go an inning or two.

  228. Cameron Says:

    Cliff Lee may be overrated, but that command of his is something I won’t knock him for. Even last year, a pretty down year for Lee on his game, was SICK in command. 10.28 K/BB and 0.8 BB/9.

    In the modern era, the only things that really come close are Bret Saberhagen in 1994 with 11 K/BB and 0.7 BB/9 in a strike season.

  229. Raul Says:

    Cliff Lee does have good command, but not that good.

    I have never seen anyone get as many calls off the plate as Cliff Lee does.

    …and I’ve seen Greg Maddux in his prime.

  230. Cameron Says:

    True, last year was a hell of an outlier, but to set the record for BB/9 and K/BB in a full season takes some impressive stuff regardless. He’s not that good, but it’s extremely solid.

  231. Raul Says:

    so you got a perfect game.

    ever hit 4 homers with one player?

  232. Cameron Says:

    …Several times, same player.

    Also, in a game that went extra innings (Mets v. Nationals), I got Carlos Beltran to hit 7 home runs.

    …Or was it 8?

  233. Raul Says:

    you are a god among insects.

  234. Cameron Says:

    It’s lonely down here.

  235. Lefty33 Says:

    “I might have some glove oil in case you want to go an inning or two.”

    While that would be great Raul if I tried that in the words of Bob Seger you would have to “Roll Me Away”.

  236. Chuck Says:

    “I mean shit it seems like the guys in AAA get older and older every year.”

    The old guys in AAA weren’t old enough to make the ML roster.

    The Dbacks look like a senior center softball team.

  237. Raul Says:

    Top leaders in strikeouts thus far:

    Edwin Jackson – 20
    Tim Lincecum – 18
    Justin Verlander – 17
    Clayton Kershaw – 17
    Jonathan Sanchez – 15

    33-year old Willie Bloomquist, who stole 8 bases in 83 games last season, currently leads the Majors with 5 in 6 games.

    Felix Hernandez, Yovani Gallardo, Brett Anderson and Jaime Garcia have pitched a Complete Game thus far.

  238. Raul Says:

    And interestingly (at least, to me) Cliff Lee has hit 2 batters so far.

    For a guy who has a reputation as a control artist, that raises an eyebrow.

  239. Chuck Says:

    Hide the women and children…Ian Snell has decided to end his one week retirement.

  240. Raul Says:

    I hate Dustin Pedroia.

    That’s why I love this commercial.

    http://youtu.be/F5b9YdMbG1I

  241. Raul Says:

    What the hell is Ian Snell’s problem?

    The kid has good stuff. That just…gnaws at me. It’s not like he’s up there throwing 50mph rainbow curveballs. Snell is talented.

    It’s so annoying to watch players that you know should do well and constantly struggle.

    Jose Contreras was like that. So was Oliver Perez.

  242. Raul Says:

    Maybe I’m so used to seeing Jason Varitek back there all these years because Saltalamacchia looks huge behind the plate. Even though according to their profile pages, Saltalamacchia is only 2 inches taller than Varitek.

  243. Raul Says:

    Wow Jeter is slow.

    Saltalamacchia had to throw him out on a curveball that was almost in the dirt and got him.

  244. Chuck Says:

    I thought he was safe.

    He had a good AB, though.

  245. Chuck Says:

    Youkilis is hitting .089, Ellsbury .118, and people are bitching about Crawford?

    Typical Red Sox fans.

  246. Chuck Says:

    Ian Snell..

    million dollar arm and a ten cent head.

  247. Raul Says:

    I thought Jeter had a good AB in working the walk but it should not have been close on the steal.

    I wasn’t aware Youk was hitting under .100.

    Nova pitched better with men on base, lol.

  248. Raul Says:

    Normally, I think it’s pretty awesome when someone has the guts to wear a bow tie.

    But Ken Rosenthal looks like a fucking douchebag.

  249. Raul Says:

    Wow, that was AWFUL by Jed Lowrie.

    Tim McCarver called it a “major league error”.
    No, that’s a tee-ball error.

  250. Raul Says:

    Cano just dropped the hammer with ease and the ball hit the center field wall.
    It’s like he didn’t even try to hit it.

  251. Chuck Says:

    “Wow, that was AWFUL by Jed Lowrie.”

    Pawtucket is about an hour from Boston.

    Jose Iglesias could be in uniform by the seventh inning.

  252. Chuck Says:

    Wow, that was AWFUL by Robinson Cano.

    His offense takes some of the focus off the fact that he’s still a terrible defensive player.

    He’s alot better than he was even a couple of years ago, but he’s still defensively challenged.

  253. Raul Says:

    I thought that ball should have been caught, but I don’t know where he was when it was hit.

    It didn’t look like he jumped very high to try to get it though.

  254. Raul Says:

    Nice play by Adrian Gonzalez.

    Buchholz is really liking that change-up today. Seems like he’s throwing it a lot.

  255. Lefty33 Says:

    “The old guys in AAA weren’t old enough to make the ML roster.”

    LOL!

  256. Chuck Says:

    Russell Martin knew that pitch was coming.

    No way you can hit a down and in curve that far and keep it fair otherwise.

  257. Raul Says:

    Didn’t think the Sox would go to the bullpen in the 4th.
    Man, this game is shaping up to be a solid 4 hours.

  258. Raul Says:

    LOL @ Joe Buck saying the Red Sox have a well-stocked farm system.

    Hahahahahahahahahaha

  259. Raul Says:

    Impressive homer by Cano.
    He really unleashed on that one.

  260. John Says:

    “Also, in a game that went extra innings (Mets v. Nationals), I got Carlos Beltran to hit 7 home runs.”

    Reminds me of the early 90’s Simpsons episode:

    Mr. Burns: Good game, Strawberry, but I’m taking you out!
    Darryl Strawberry: But coach, I have 9 homeruns today!
    Mr. Burns: Yes, but the pitcher is lefthanded, so I want to put in a right handed hitter. It’s called managing by the book!

    “Normally, I think it’s pretty awesome when someone has the guts to wear a bow tie.
    But Ken Rosenthal looks like a fucking douchebag.”

    I believe he’s wearing a different bowtie for every Saturday game, or maybe every appearance, each to promote a different cause…or something like that.

  261. Chuck Says:

    Holy bleep…how desperate are the Yankees?

    They just signed Carlos bleepin’ Silva.

  262. Chuck Says:

    Ken Rosenthal is a DB…what he wears doesn’t change that.

    In his high school yearbook, he was voted most likely to go blind.

  263. Raul Says:

    Yeah I was shocked at the Silva deal. I don’t care that the Cubs are picking up the majority of the contract.

    If the situation ever presented itself where you needed to bring up Carlos Silva, you would be better off bringing up your AA pitchers.

  264. Chuck Says:

    I don’t care about his contract.

    Carlos Silva couldn’t make the Cubs rotation.

    Freddie Garcia and Bartolo Colon are STILL better than he is.

    Makes no sense.

  265. Hartvig Says:

    I was going to make fun of the Silva signing too but…

    he’s cheap, he’s actually put up OK numbers slightly more than half his career (I consider an ERA+ of around 100 OK for a starter- at least as a place to start evaluating) and as recently as a year ago and finally, there’s no one else out there (at least that I can think of)

    He’s sure as hell not going to replace Hughes but there are a number of 5th starters (and maybe a couple of #4’s) out there that aren’t any better.

    But it’s not a good sign if you’re a team in baseballs toughest division that is expected to be in the playoffs either, so I can see why Yankees fans are a little dismayed.

    And my quick picks: Phillies, Reds & Rockies with the Braves as the wild card. And the Nationals will win more games than the Mets. And Milwaukee will be in first place at the AllStar break in the NL Central but a couple of injuries will drop them back into the pack.

  266. Cameron Says:

    Chuck, your #5 used to be Bartolo Colon. This is an upgrade. …Not a great upgrade, but better than getting the burrito vender to lob eephus balls over the wall.

  267. Cameron Says:

    The Athletics and Trevor Cahill have reached a contract extension. No details have been reported otherwise.

  268. Chuck Says:

    Russell Branyan just got a basehit off a 102mph fastball from Aroldis Chapman.

    Branyan can’t hit lefties.

    Unless the pitch is straight.

    A 90 mph fb with movement is a bitch.

    A 102 mph fb with no movement is batting practice.

    Now you know why Chapman is a reliever.

  269. Cameron Says:

    90 with movement… Why am I thinking of Pedro?

    BTW, Pedro said he’ll come back if anyone wants to pick him up to make a WS run. He says he plays catch and long toss recreationally to stay in shape and can get back to ML-ready shape in about a month to a month-and-a-half.

  270. Raul Says:

    Nobody is going to call Pedro Martinez.

  271. Cameron Says:

    If the Yankees are sniffing October, I wouldn’t be surprised at all. And Martinez said he’d do it. He’d like Boston or Philly to call first, but he’d go to New York.

    He wants to retire in Boston, though.

  272. Cameron Says:

    Holy shit, talk about your web gems.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/video/play.jsp?content_id=13627711

  273. Raul Says:

    Incredible catch.

  274. Cameron Says:

    Fuld mainly profiles as a 4th OF that gets used to be a defensive replacement for Ben Zobrist/Matt Joyce.

    If he can do THAT… He had no business catching that thing but he can fucking fly out there.

    Also, with Manny retiring, does Damon go to DH and Desmond Jennings gets an everyday job?

  275. Raul Says:

    Desmond Jennings seems like another one of those “tools” guys who’s game won’t ever live up to the hype. But I suppose he should start playing full-time.

  276. Cameron Says:

    Desmond’s in Durham right now with Fuld keeping LF warm. Fuld has a good glove, but Jennings has amazing speed already and with some good slap-hitting I can see him as a Crawford lite.

  277. Chuck Says:

    Bob Costas interviewed Pedro the other day on MLB Network.

    He’s fat.

    He can say whatever he wants about throwing everyday, so what?

    I played catch in the street with my neighbor this morning, doesn’t mean I’m going to show up at a tryout camp tomorrow.

    That catch by Fuld was ridiculous.

    Two batters later he blew a routine fly ball.

    That was ridiculous, too.

  278. John Says:

    I would call Pedro, any day, any time.

    I don’t care how far he’s been set back.

    He might be the greatest pitcher who ever lived.

    Sorry, I don’t think it’s unreasonable that he could be a 5th starter on a contending team.

  279. Chuck Says:

    “He might be the greatest pitcher who ever lived”

    He’s not even close to the best pitcher who ever lived.

    And, yes, it is unreasonable to think he’d be the fifth starter on a contending team.

    He might get by for a month or two, like he did in ‘09, but over the long haul?

    No way, Jose’.

  280. Cameron Says:

    Pedro’s saying he’s available for a playoff run, meaning a late season free agent signing to a team on its way to the playoffs. As a fifth starter or (and I can’t believe I’m saying this about PEDRO MARTINEZ), I’d do it.

    The best pitcher who ever lived? I wouldn’t even call him the best pitcher still alive (first name that comes to mind is “Holy Shit It’s” Tom Seaver).

  281. Cameron Says:

    *As a fifth starter or (and I can’t believe I’m saying this about PEDRO MARTINEZ), bullpen help, I’d do it.

  282. John Says:

    Too high of a team-hurting 150 ERA+?

  283. John Says:

    Go to Pedro’s bbref page.

    Click on the pitching page.

    Adjust for 1969 NL and Mets.

    Check out his numbers.

    Mind-fucking.

  284. Chuck Says:

    “Too high of a team-hurting 150 ERA+?”

    You pick up this hot chick at a bar and take her home. After 100 pitches of foreplay you find out she has a cock.

    Change your mind?

    Mariano Rivera has the highest all time career OPS+ and I wouldn’t put him in the top 100 pitchers of all time.

    So, what’s your point?

  285. Chuck Says:

    “Mariano Rivera has the highest all time career OPS+”

    Sorry, ERA+

    One too many margaritas at dinner.

  286. Chuck Says:

    “Mind-fucking.”

    How you get it is your business.

  287. Raul Says:

    That adjustment puts Pedro Martinez’s 2000 season at an ERA of 1.35 with a 0.659 WHIP. Incredible.

    Is Pedro Martinez the greatest pitcher of all-time? No. But that’s not a bad thing. His overall career just didn’t last as long as some other guys.

    That said…

    If I had to win 1 game, hell even if I had to choose 1 season, I don’t think anyone could convince me to go with a pitcher other than Pedro Martinez.

    And if I had to give you a list of guys I’d want for 1 game, it might be something like (not ranked in order):

    Pedro Martinez
    Ron Guidry
    Sandy Koufax
    Steve Carlton
    Dwight Gooden

    Yes, I know it Gooden and Guidry sort of stick out, and I didn’t list some other great pitchers who were probably better overall, but for 1 game that’s who I’d go with.

  288. Cameron Says:

    Again, for the greatest pitcher of the live ball era I nominate Tom Seaver. I say that because of what he was able to accomplish with so little support. You guys think Felix Hernandez was impressive for winning the Cy Young with the Mariners run support?

    Tom Seaver managed 300 wins spending his age 20 seasons with the ‘67-’77 Mets, the Silver Age equivalent of the Pirates/Royals in terms of incompetence.

  289. Cameron Says:

    Fun Fact:

    If Jim Palmer had the same won-lost percentage as his teams in his career, he’s a 300 game winner.

    If Tom Seaver had his teams’ won-lost, he has a career losing record, pretty sure he barely sniffs 200 wins.

  290. Lefty33 Says:

    “He might be the greatest pitcher who ever lived.”

    While that’s great hyperbole John you know and we all know that’s not true.

    Maybe on a good day after enough beer I’d agree with you that he’s maybe in the top 10 right handed pitchers of all-time.

    Which puts him somewhere in the top 15-20 at best.

    And there is no way in hell any playoff team this year signs him unless it’s as a circus stunt to sell tickets.

  291. Raul Says:

    I think you’re going a bit far by saying Pedro Martinez does not crack the Top 10 all-time.

  292. Lefty33 Says:

    “I think you’re going a bit far by saying Pedro Martinez does not crack the Top 10 all-time.”

    In no particular order I’ll take:

    Carlton, Mathweson, W. and R. Johnson, Alexander, Clemens, Grove, Spahn, Seaver, and Maddux and that’s without thinking for more than 30 seconds.

    With a few minutes I could add a few more.

  293. Cameron Says:

    All time… It’s fuzzy, because it’s hard to categorize. Here’s Bill James circa 1999’s rankings.

    1. Walter Johnson
    2. Lefty Grove
    3. Pete Alexander
    4. Cy Young
    5. Warren Spahn
    6. Tom Seaver
    7. Christy Mathewson
    8. Bob Gibson
    9. Kid Nichols
    10. Sandy Koufax

    This is a tricky list to analyze. For me Johnson, Grove, Seaver, Young, and Mathewson are locks.

    Alexander was good, damn good, but I don’t really know enough about him to give a fair ranking. Gibson… I dunno, he was in a dominant era but the guy was still an absolute BEAST, a fence pick, but I’ll include him. Koufax… While in a short period he was great there’s not the longevity for me to rank him as a top 10. Nichols is the standout for me as I think he largely benefitted from his era. Spahn… I really don’t know. Again, a fence pick.

    Using that as a base and taking Gibson as well, here’s my personal top 10 in no real order.

    Walter Johnson
    Lefty Grove
    Christy Mathewson
    Cy Young
    Tom Seaver
    Bob Gibson
    Greg Maddux
    Roger Clemens*
    Steve Carlton

    You know what, I can’t say it with certainty, but I’m with Raul. You can argue Pedro as a top 10.

  294. Cameron Says:

    Ah, forgot Big Unit. That REALLY changes things for me.

  295. Lefty33 Says:

    “Tom Seaver managed 300 wins spending his age 20 seasons with the ‘67-’77 Mets, the Silver Age equivalent of the Pirates/Royals in terms of incompetence.”

    The Royals are working on one season over .500 in the last 16 years and Pirates are at 18 in a row. The Mets teams were never that bad.

    Seaver pitched twice as many years for Mets teams that were over .500 than under.

    From ‘69-’76 the Mets were at least 50 games over .500 as a franchise.

  296. Cameron Says:

    Let’s see… The exact math was “if Tom Seaver had the same number of decisions as his teams over his career, but his team’s W-L percentage, his career record would be 250-266, his actual record was 311-205, up 122 half-games from his teams.”

    Also, “Seaver pitched for 8 losing teams, some that were truly awful, and 4 more teams that had losing records except when Seaver was on the mound.”

    Not counting him dragging his teams to winning records, that means 12 years of his 20 year career were spent on losing teams and he managed a 311-205 record (a .603 record) on mostly losing teams. That shows incredible individual strength on the guy.

    …Plus, a career 2.86 ERA? God DAMN!

  297. Raul Says:

    I think considering context, I’d rather have Pedro Martinez with what he did in the late 1990s versus some of the other greats with what they did in the early 1900s.

  298. John Says:

    Raul: “Is Pedro Martinez the greatest pitcher of all-time? No. But that’s not a bad thing. His overall career just didn’t last as long as some other guys.

    That said…

    If I had to win 1 game, hell even if I had to choose 1 season, I don’t think anyone could convince me to go with a pitcher other than Pedro Martinez.”

    Yeah.

    That’s kinda what I meant.

    I mean, among pitchers of this generation, I would take late 90’s Pedro over anyone. But, for example, Roger Clemens won 7 Cy Youngs, with the first and last coming almost 20 years apart. Maddux started doing his thing long before Pedro and was still dealing after Pedro’s dominance was done.

    Other guys have accumulated more value over the course of their careers, but I’ll take Pedro when he was good over anyone.

    Chuck: “Mariano Rivera has the highest all time career ERA+ and I wouldn’t put him in the top 100 pitchers of all time.”

    Mariano Rivera pitches 1 inning at a time, 2-3 times a week. Pedro was a starter.

    “Carlton, Mathweson, W. and R. Johnson, Alexander, Clemens, Grove, Spahn, Seaver, and Maddux and that’s without thinking for more than 30 seconds.”

    I know it’s just one stat but…the difference in ERA+ between Pedro Martinez and Warren Spahn is about the same as the difference between Warren Spahn and Jose Lima.

    And it’s not like this is just some weird convoluted formula. He dominated juiced up dudes while playing in a notorious hitters park. We all saw him do it.

    “10. Sandy Koufax”

    The other guys on this list…cool. Whatever, they pitched longer, were able to do more for their respective teams over the course of their careers.

    Koufax’s period of dominance is more/less as long as Pedro’s, the difference being that Koufax pitched at DODGER STADIUM IN THE MOST PITCHER-FRIENDLY ERA EVER. Someone did an article a while back about how Sandy Koufax is basically the pitching equivalent of Todd Helton.

    Theoretically, Pedro has a 2.31 ERA and 0.922 WHIP if he had pitched his whole career in the 1960’s at Dodger Stadium.

    Raul: “I think considering context, I’d rather have Pedro Martinez with what he did in the late 1990s versus some of the other greats with what they did in the early 1900s.”

    Bingo. I’m sure Walter Johnson and Christy Mathewson were phenomenal pitchers and all, but the average player in 1911 was Eckstein-sized.

  299. Lefty33 Says:

    “Other guys have accumulated more value over the course of their careers, but I’ll take Pedro when he was good over anyone.”

    I’ll take what Carlton did in ‘72 over Pedro any day as it was far more impressive.

    To go out there and pitch for a team that finished 38 games under .500 while only having two regulars hit over .250 is something that Pedro never had to deal with.

    I personally don’t put as much stock in Pedro simply because of his lack of durability.

    If you want to paint him as some sort of right handed Koufax that’s fine by me.

    And maybe you even could say that he had the greatest season ever in the modern era.

    But to call him the G.O.A.T. is not feasible to me simply because he wasn’t even a dominant pitcher for a decade before he crapped out.

    He had five great years, two good years, and then the rest were either mediocre or he was injured/sucked.

    That’s not a G.O.A.T. Great yes, G.O.A.T., hell no.

  300. Lefty33 Says:

    “If I had to win 1 game, hell even if I had to choose 1 season, I don’t think anyone could convince me to go with a pitcher other than Pedro Martinez.”

    Yeah.

    That’s kinda what I meant.”

    Maybe that’s what you meant but it’s not what you said.

    You said greatest of all-time. Big difference.

  301. John Says:

    Meh.

    I said “might.”

    Different people have different interpretations of greatness.

  302. John Says:

    I count 6 great seasons and 5 very good seasons. Splitting hairs, and I know others were more durable.

    In 2000, his ERA was 2 runs lower than SECOND PLACE.

  303. Raul Says:

    Very simple way of looking at it, but from 1995-2005:

    Greg Maddux:
    187-98
    3.01 ERA
    1.090 WHIP
    144 ERA+
    6.4 K/9

    Roger Clemens:
    169-79
    3.32 ERA
    1.222 WHIP
    138 ERA+
    9.0 K/9

    Randy Johnson:
    182-74
    2.80 ERA
    1.070 WHIP
    164 ERA+
    11.7 K/9

    Pedro Martinez:
    176-73
    2.68 ERA
    1.006 WHIP
    171 ERA+
    10.4 K/9

  304. Raul Says:

    The point from what I posted above is that those are what they did from 1995-2005.
    That’s 11 seasons, so maybe it’s not quite fair to say Pedro Martinez was only good for 4 or 5 years.

  305. Chuck Says:

    Pedro had two of the greatest SEASONS of all time, but that doesn’t automatically qualify him, or anyone else for that matter, as an all time great.

    Denny McLain won back to back Cy Youngs, but no one thinks he’s an all-timer.

  306. Chuck Says:

    “Different people have different interpretations of greatness.”

    Tim Raines?

  307. John Says:

    “Pedro had two of the greatest SEASONS of all time, but that doesn’t automatically qualify him, or anyone else for that matter, as an all time great.”

    There have been 33 instances of a starting pitcher having an ERA+ over 200 for a season.

    Pedro has five of them.

    Don’t tell me he’s not an all-time great. That might be about the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard.

  308. Chuck Says:

    “That might be about the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard.”

    Tim Raines?

  309. Raul Says:

    That neutralize thing on BBREF is insane.

    Pedro Martinez – 1968 – NL – LA Dodgers:

    224-105, 1.91 ERA, 0.824 WHIP.

    That neutralization would have made Pedro’s 2000 season:
    22-3, 1.04 ERA, 0.562 WHIP — batters, go fuck yourself.

  310. Raul Says:

    On the flip side, if you took Sandy Koufax’s career and neutralized them for 2000 – AL – Boston Red Sox….they don’t look as great.

  311. Raul Says:

    The Yankees are starting to remind me of the other NY Teams.

    The Mets, Rangers, Knicks, etc.

    Because lately it seems the Yankees are going after guys that are more-or-less washed up and had glory with other teams. That’s usually something the other NY teams did.

  312. John Says:

    “Tim Raines?”

    For someone who loves “runs scored” so much, I would think you’d come around on him eventually.

  313. John Says:

    Eh,

    The Yankees are signing guys way past their primes (Garcia, Colon etc) but it’s not like they’re relying on these guys to carry their team like those other teams.

  314. Raul Says:

    This never gets old.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-GgbP9C9Zk

  315. John Says:

    Man…Yovanni’s lookin’ awful

  316. Cameron Says:

    So’s Detroit, but that’s good for me.

  317. Cameron Says:

    …Fuckin’ Miggy.

  318. Cameron Says:

    Also, Daniel Schelreth just threw… Something. I have no fucking clue what it was supposed to be, but the radar gun read it at 50 mph and the thing wasn’t moving at all.

    I’m mad at Alex Gordon for not drilling that fucker over the wall.

  319. Bob Says:

    The red Sox agreed to a 4-year extension with Clay Bucholz

  320. Chuck Says:

    Guess who had a three homer game last night?

    Chris Davis

  321. Cameron Says:

    Nice little contract for both sides.

    2012 – 3.5 million
    2013 – 5.5 million
    2014 – 7.4 million
    2015 – 12 million
    2016 – 13 million, club option
    2017 – 13.5 million, club option

  322. Jim Says:

    Anthony Ranaudo’ pro debut at Greenville, Class A against Augusta. 5 IP, 3 H, 0 R, 1 BB, 4 K

    Expect some talk radio mouth breather to demand Theo bring him up.

  323. Lefty33 Says:

    “Guess who had a three homer game last night?

    Chris Davis”

    Almost as impressive was the fact that Round Rock was starting Brett Tomko today.

    I can’t believe he’s got a job at 38. At his age he should be pitching for Reno with the rest of the old farts on that team.

    (He gave up five earned and eight hits over five today.)

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