What if: 1977 Kansas City Royals v. 1995 Cleveland Indians

by Chuck

During a conversation thread the other day, a question was asked who would you take in a playoff series between the 1977 Kansas City Royals and the 1995 Cleveland Indians.

Well, thanks to the guys at  here and here , we can run a simulation and find out.

Sorta.

Before getting there, I thought it might be helpful to jog the memory banks a bit, especially for the Royals, considering most probably weren’t alive.

Kansas City was in the beginning stages of a mini-dynasty, a stretch from 1975-1985 which saw them reach the postseason seven times and the World Series twice. For three straight seasons, 1976-1978, they were beaten by the New York Yankees in the ALCS in what I believe to be the best cumulative postseason games I’ve seen.

The Royals in ‘77 set a still standing franchise record with 102 wins, winning the AL West by eight games over the Texas Rangers. They finished fifth in runs scored and tied for the AL lead in pitching with their ALCS opponents.

The Royals that year were led by Hal McRae, who finished in the top five in most offensive categories. Second baseman Frank White and rightfielder Al Cowens won Gold Gloves, with third baseman George Brett being the lone All-Star selection. Pitching wise, staff ace Dennis Leonard tied for the league lead in wins and finished second to Nolan Ryan in strikeouts. Jim Colborn won eighteen games, Paul Splittorff sixteen, and Whitey Herzog’s bullpen by committee had three pitchers with ten or more saves.

The Indians in 1995 were freakishly good, in a season delayed at the start due to a work stoppage they still managed to win 100 games despite playing just 144. They won the AL Central Division by thirty games over the second place Royals, and beat the Seattle Mariners and Boston Red Sox in the AL playoffs before being upset by the Atlanta Braves in the World Series.

The Indians’ strength was clearly on offense, as they lead the league in runs scored by a wide margin, but finished in the second half of the league leaders in both pitching and defense. The Indians had five player finish in the top ten of the AL batting race, wtih slugger Albert Belle leading the league in homers and RBI and speedy centerfielder leading the league in triples and stolen bases.

Reliever Jose Mesa was the Fireman of the Year behind his league leading 46 saves, shortstop Omar Vizquel and Lofton won Gold Gloves, with second baseman Carlos Baerga, Belle, Lofton, Mesa, starting pitcher Dennis Martinez and outfielder Manny Ramirez landing on the All-Star team.

Make no mistake, the Indians offensive prowess led to their pitching success, despite a combined ERA over four, both Orel Hershiser and Charles Nagy won sixteen games, with Martinez chipping in with a dozen.

OK, on with it.

Cleveland gets home field based on winning percentage.

Game One

Just by lookng at the final score you’d think the Indians bats went crazy, but the opposite is true, as the Royals laid a whuppin’ on the Tribe, 17-3. Led by Hal McRae’s 6-6 performance which included a cycle, Kansas City totalled twelve extra base hits out of their twenty two total. The Royals hit five homers; by McRae, John Mayberry, Amos Otis and a pair from George Brett. Shortstop Freddie Patek had four hits, with Brett scoring four runs and driving in five.

A two run first inning homer by Brett, a second inning single by Tom Poquette, and third inning homers by Brett and McRae made the score 6-0 after three. The Indians temporarily made a game of it in their half of the third, with four consecutive two out singles by Carlos Baerga, Eddie Murray, Jim Thome and Albert Belle doing the damage.

The Royals blew the game open in the fourth off starter Orel Hershiser and reliever Jason Grimsley with seven runs, the big hits being a two run double by Brett and a two run triple by Al Cowens.

A solo homer by Mayberry in the fifth, a run scoring and cycle capping triple by McRae in the seventh, and a two run, tape measure homer off the centerfield batters eye by Otis in the ninth capped the scoring.

Hershiser and Grimsley were the primary victims of the Royals offense, combining to allow thirteen runs in three and two thirds innings. The Indians went on to use a total of six pitchers, with only Jim Poole escaping unscored upon.

Paul Splittorff went five innings for the win, with two inning relief stints by Steve Mingori and Marty Pattin finishing up.

Game Two.

The Royals took a 2-0 series advantage as Andy Hassler outdueled Dennis Martinez, 6-3. The Royals were led offensively by rightfielder Al Cowens, who had three hits; Frank White, George Brett, Hal McRae and Darrell Porter had two each, with Amos Otis scoring two runs.

Cleveland jumped to an early lead in the second when Manny Ramirez drilled a fly ball to deep leftcenter which went in, and then out, of the glove of Amos Otis.

The Royals speed played a part in the scoring, as they stole five bases in the game. Cleveland did manage eleven hits of their own led by Sandy Alomar’s three, but not enough came when needed.

Game Three

The first game on Kansas City’s artificial surface ended with the same result, with the Royals moving one step closer to ending the series with an 8-1 win.

Trailing 1-0 entering the home half of the third inning thanks to a first inning double by Carlos Baerga, the Royals scored all eight of their runs, four of which were unearned thanks to an error by left fielder Manny Ramirez.

Al Cowens led off with a triple, his third of the series, and scored on a double by Darrell Porter, who himself scored a minute later on a double by Tom Poquette. The next batter, shortstop Freddie Patek, lofted a short fly ball to left which Ramirez dropped. After Frank White struck out looking, George Brett doubled in two runs and John Mayberry doubled in Brettt. After Hal McRae was hit by a pitch, Cowens, hitting for the second time in the inning, drilled a three run homer into the fountains in dead center field.

Ace Dennis Leonard went eight innings for the win, striking out nine. Charles Nagy took the loss for Cleveland, allowing all eight runs, although thanks to Ramirez’ muff, only four were earned.

Game Four

Cleveland avoided the sweep in Game Four, pounding Game One starter Paul Splittorff and five relievers for twenty-one hits in a 12-7 victory.

The Indians wasted no time, finally getting some timely hits with runners in scoring position and taking advantage of two Freddie Patek errors, to score five unearned runs in the top of the first inning.

The Royals came back with four runs of their own in the second inning capped by a three run homer by Darrell Porter. Starting in the third inning, the Indians scored in five consecutive innings, highlighted by a two run, fourth inning double by Carlos Baerga and a two run, sixth inning homer by Paul Sorrento.

The Indians were led by four hit performances from Eddie Murray and Jim Thome and five RBI from Sorrento. Starter Ken Hill gave up all seven runs in three plus innings, but a trio of Cleveland relievers scattered just three hits the rest of the way’

Coming off his solid Game One start, Splittorff was knocked around in his three and two thirds innings, allowing nine runs and fourteen hits. Frank White with three hits and three runs scored and Porter with his three run bomb led the Royals’ offense.

Game Five

The Indians narrowed the gap to one and assured themselves of at least one more game in front of the Cleveland crazies with a 9-2 win. Tied at one after six innings, the Tribe clocked four homers off three Royals relievers to send the series back to Jacobs Field.

Held to just three hits and a run through six by soft-tossing lefty Andy Hassler, the Indians onslaught kicked off when, after Al Cowens dropped Eddie Murray’s fly ball in the right field corner, Jim Thome homered just over Cowens’ outstretched glove, breaking the tie.

A solo homer by Darrell Porter narrowed the Indians’ lead to one,  but back to back homers by Albert Belle and Murray off Doug Bird in the eighth and a mammoth, upper deck shot by Manny Ramirez in the ninth closed the scoring.

For Cleveland, Belle led the way with three hits and three RBI, with Omar Vizquel, Murray and Ramirez chipping in with two each. Orel Hershiser rebounded from his Game One shellacking, scattering six hits over eight innings.

George Brett, Al Cowens and Tom Poquette had two hits each for Kansas City.

Game Six.

The Royals obviously enjoy being road warriors as they wrapped up the series in six games with an 11-2 win,  with three of them coming away from home. The Royals jumped on Dennis Martinez early, scoring two runs in the second inning and didn’t stop until they scored eleven runs and twenty two hits, nailing Martinez with seven and thirteen, respectively.

John Mayberry led the way for Kansas City with four hits, everyone else in the lineup had at least two except leadoff man Freddie Patek. Frank White drove in three, with George Brett, Mayberry, Amos Otis and Darell Porter scoring two each.

Dennis Leonard went the distance, scattering seven hits, with a fourth inning solo homer by Carlos Baerga and back to back seventh inning doubles by Eddie Murray and Jim Thome accounting for the Indians’ scoring.

Hal McRae was named series MVP by one vote (because that’s all which were cast) over Dennis Leonard and Darrell Porter.

The consensus in the comments were the Royals would win this series based on their pitching advantage and that was clearly the case, although their speed advantage was a factor. The Royals totaled sixteen stolen bases for the series, with nine different players having at least one.

In looking back at their respective successes, I would say while the Indians certainly are well deserving of their reputation as a mini-dynasty, it is built strictly on offense.

The Royals were better longer (eleven years to seven) and were a more well rounded team.

The result, while small, doesn’t surprise me.

What say you?

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291 Responses to “What if: 1977 Kansas City Royals v. 1995 Cleveland Indians”

  1. brautigan Says:

    What? You didn’t use Stratomatic?

    I’ll talk to my friend Sky and see if we can’t replay the same series this weekend with Stratomatic and see if the outcome is similar.

  2. Raul Says:

    This is awesome. Great work, Chuck. Thank you.

    It’s shocking to see the Royals dump 17 on the Indians though. You would think that John Mayberry wouldn’t be very imposing with the stats he put up in ‘77 but he appeared to be pretty clutch in the games above.

  3. Chuck Says:

    John Mayberry was a pretty good player, and, in looking at his stats, probably better than I remember.

    He played fifteen years.

    He had ten seasons where he had enough PA’s to qualify for the league leaders..he hit 20 or more homers in nine of them.

    In a pitching era, that’s pretty damn impressive.

    He led the league in walks twice.

    His career high in strikeouts was 86.

    For his career, he had more walks than strikeouts. No way I would have guessed that.

    He was a special instructor in spring training for the Royals, I saw him walking between fields one time, he looked pretty good, too. I had heard he had gained quite a bit of weight, but he looked like he could still play.

  4. Chuck Says:

    “You didn’t use Stratomatic?”

    Not available.

  5. Raul Says:

    How many players from that ‘77 team became coaches or managers at some level?

    Clint Hurdle
    Buck Martinez
    Hal McRae
    Cookie Rojas
    Tom Poquette

    Not sure if any others did.

    Read this about Freddie Patek on his Wikipedia page:

    Patek retired after the 1981 season with a career batting average of .242. Patek was better known for his speed and his defensive abilities; former manager Whitey Herzog called Patek the best artificial turf shortstop he ever managed, ranking him even higher than Ozzie Smith. When asked by a reporter what it felt like to be the smallest player in the major leagues, Patek replied- “it’s better than being the smallest player in the minor leagues.”

  6. JohnBowen Says:

    Quick note: Albert Belle was the LF and Manny Ramirez was the RF on that team, right?

    And since Eddie Murray is getting the at-bats at DH they have to play the field.

  7. JohnBowen Says:

    “Jim Thome homered just over Cowens’ outstretched glove, breaking the tie.”

    It’s that detailed? Wow…

  8. JohnBowen Says:

    Freddie Patek: The Original Eckstein.

  9. Raul Says:

    Except that Patek could throw the ball to 1b without it bouncing 6 times.

  10. JohnBowen Says:

    “In looking back at their respective successes, I would say while the Indians certainly are well deserving of their reputation as a mini-dynasty, it is built strictly on offense.

    The Royals were better longer (eleven years to seven) and were a more well rounded team.”

    I absolutely agree with that.

    When they finally won it all, it was pitching, defense, and George Brett that carried them.

    The Indians dominated the AL Central in it’s early days, winning every division title from 1995 to 2001 except for 2000, when they lost by a single game. But they never won the Series, and I think pitching’s the biggest factor there.

    I would argue that the 1999 team was better offensively:

    - They scored 1009 runs, which I think is the most since like, the 1930’s Yankees.
    - FOUR players (Jim Thome, Robbie Alomar, Manny Ramirez, and Richie Sexson) had 100 or more RBI’s.
    - The 1-2 punch was pretty much ideal, with Kenny Lofton hitting .301 with a .405 OBP and Omar Vizquel hitting .333 with a .397. Easily Vizquel’s finest all-around season.

    Team OBP: .373. FUCKING .373 AS A TEAM. That’s incredible.

  11. Chuck Says:

    Freddie Patek had 41 career homers.

    38 one homer games, and one THREE homer game.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/BOS/BOS198006200.shtml

  12. JohnBowen Says:

    “Except that Patek could throw the ball to 1b without it bouncing 6 times.”

    The nice thing about being an astroturf SS is that you can bounce the ball and use that to your advantage. I know Concepcion was famous for that.

  13. Raul Says:

    .373 OBP is amazing.

    The ‘27 and ‘30 Yankees posted .384.

    I don’t know what the all-time high is.

  14. Cameron Says:

    The guys on the old Royals knew how to play that turf like pros. Frank White knew that the ball kicked off the turf so bad you could find him in shallow right field most games.

  15. Raul Says:

    Excuse me for a moment, but I have to say this while it’s on my mind. And I’m sure some comedian talked about this (probably George Carlin).

    But whatever happened to the real names? Frank and Freddie are men’s names.
    What the hell is up with names like Buster and Prince and Madison? This is bull****.

    When’s the last time you met a baby Larry? Or Tony? or Bruce?

  16. Bob Says:

    MLB is taking over the Dodgers.

  17. Jim Says:

    MLB has taken over the Dodgers. I wonder how long till they take over the Mets.

  18. Cameron Says:

    “But whatever happened to the real names? Frank and Freddie are men’s names.
    What the hell is up with names like Buster and Prince and Madison? This is bull****.”

    This is indeed an old Carlin bit.

    …One of the names he brought up as a pussy name is Cameron.

  19. Raul Says:

    Carlin pulls no punches, my friend. Not even for you.

    If you want to take some solace in anything, Cam Neely has your name and he was one manly, tough dude.

  20. Bob Says:

    Yes he was.

  21. Raul Says:

    I’m shocked to find that Laynce Nix has a 9 season career in the Major Leagues despite appearing in over 100 games just twice.

  22. Cameron Says:

    You think that’s impressive for a bench guy? Matt Stairs STILL has a job.

  23. Raul Says:

    Fucking triple for Alex Gordon

  24. Raul Says:

    Chuck, you’re not a genius.

    But the 3 players you told me to draft: Alex Gordon, Howie Kendrick and Danny Espinosa have been pretty fucking awesome thus far.

  25. Raul Says:

    Wait, was that The Ultimate Warrior’s theme song when Kila came up to bat?

  26. Cameron Says:

    Huh…

    Do you think Alex Gordon could win Comeback Player of the Year if this keeps up?

  27. Cameron Says:

    Raul, I’m amazed you actually can recognize “Unstable”. Love that theme.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQZGGJx2prE

  28. Raul Says:

    So Justin Masterson is Jamaican?
    That moves him up a notch in my book.

  29. Raul Says:

    lol, I watched WWF back in the day

  30. Chuck Says:

    “Chuck, you’re not a genius.”

    Bleep you.

  31. Cameron Says:

    I really didn’t get big into them until I was old enough to undersatnd them, right around the Attitude Era, but Ultimate Warrior.

    Go buy the “Self-Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior” DVD, it’s worth watching to realize that Warrior (his legal name) was that insane in real life too.

    And old wrestling themes, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a song get a crowd worked up like… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guG9cVs3ms4

  32. Raul Says:

    I think that was a 33-pitch inning for Justin Masterson.

  33. Chuck Says:

    “Do you think Alex Gordon could win Comeback Player of the Year if this keeps up?”

    Don’t you actually have to come back from something?

  34. Cameron Says:

    That’s why I asked. He… Came back from sucking?

  35. Raul Says:

    LOL Chuck.

    Man, Evan Longoria and Cory Hart need to come back already. Their replacements on my fantasy team have sucked (Danny Valencia & Angel Pagan/Mike Stanton).

  36. Raul Says:

    Gordon’s trusting his hands.

    The other night he popped a 2-strike single to RF on a slider up and in.

  37. Raul Says:

    Hochevar is a completely different pitcher when he can stay on top of the ball

  38. Raul Says:

    I don’t know what it is, but I gotta give Bartolo Colon some credit. He’s pitched well through 5 in Toronto.

    5 IP
    2 H
    1 ER
    1 BB
    7 K
    63 pitches.

  39. Raul Says:

    Good lord!

    Bartolo Colon induces a grounder to Short and Jeter takes like 2 steps, DIVES for it, and still can’t make the play. He knocked it down for an infield single.

    Luckily, Cano gets the double play on the next hitter.

  40. Chuck Says:

    The first week or so of spring training, Gordon wasn’t hitting.

    Kevin Seitzer pulled him aside and had a long talk with him, then spent a whole day just working with him in the cage trying to get him to just use his natural ability.

    It worked.

    So far.

    Gordon’s a real good player, he could easily be an All-Star.

    He just needed someone to stick up for him and tell him he’s going to be in the lineup everyday and to just go out and rake, and not worry about getting sent down if he goes 0-4 or feel like he has to hit a five run homer every time up.

    I’m really happy for him, he’s a real good guy and he deserves to have some success, he’s busted his ass through injuries and the Royals essentially screwing him over for two years.

    He deserves alot of credit too, for keeping a good attitude.

  41. Cameron Says:

    That’s pretty much what they’ve done Chuck. In all the post-games I’ve seen with Alex, he says the main difference is he’s having fun and he’s having a good time just playing with his teammates (who he’s become good friends with) and just going out and playing the game instead of overthinking things.

    Basically, I think Ned Yost said, “Kid, stop trying to carry this city on your shoulders. You’re a ballplayer, not a hero.” And it’s fucking worked.

  42. Raul Says:

    With Jeff Francoeur getting a “French Quarters” in Kaufmann Stadium, maybe if Kila Ka’aihue gets going, they’ll create a “Big Kahuna Burger” for him at the .390 restaurant.

    Yeah, I had to use a Pulp Fiction reference.

  43. Cameron Says:

    Kila already has a nickname, Raul. Hawaiian Punch.

    Also, Bruce Chen hasa group of fans called the “Chen Dynasty”.

  44. Chuck Says:

    My last game, my dad and I sat about five rows behind where Yost and the coaches sit, next to the dugout.

    I wanted so bad to ask Seitzer about what he said to Gordon, but just as he came out of the dugout a group of I assume to be family members went over to him. Some kid got his attention and he signed a ball for him, but otherwise he was talking to these people like they were relatives or friends and not fans.

  45. Chuck Says:

    Eric Hosmer is hitting almost .400 in AAA.

    The only place Kila’s going is out of town.

  46. Raul Says:

    Hawaiian Punch? Dude, that’s lame.

    Big Kahuna would be way better.

    Jules Winfield: Big Kahuna Burger! That’s that Hawaiian burger joint, isn’t it? I aint never had one myself. How are they?

    LOL

  47. Raul Says:

    I think it’s a 2-seamer but whatever it is that Hochevar is throwing to lefties, it’s working tonight. And it looks like nobody’s even offering at his curveball.

  48. Cameron Says:

    I dunno, I’d rather have $400,000 worth of Hawaiian Punch than Kila Ka’aihue.

  49. Raul Says:

    Fucking diabetic.

  50. Raul Says:

    You’ve got to be kidding. What the fuck, Kila?
    How the hell do you miss that pop-up?

  51. Cameron Says:

    Hey, HP is good to stock up on.

    …It doesn’t go flat. Poor people like me know this.

  52. Cameron Says:

    Uh… Ryan just noted something interesting.

    It’s 5 innings and look at the box score.

    ….NOBODY SAY A FUCKING WORD!

  53. Cameron Says:

    Did Chris Getz take a pitch in the knee… And skip to first base?

    Kid, hand in your man card and get the fuck out of my stadium.

  54. Chuck Says:

    “It doesn’t go flat”

    That’s because it’s MADE flat.

    Food coloring and water.

  55. Cameron Says:

    And? It’s cheap, all that really matters when you’re broke.

  56. Cameron Says:

    Dammit Luke, we had a good thing going.

  57. Chuck Says:

    Luke Hochevar reminds me of Jared Weaver.

    How long did it take Weaver to figure things out?

    I just think these guys with funky deliveries have so many moving parts and it takes them longer (more innings) to learn how to repeat them.

    The guy has nasty stuff.

  58. Chuck Says:

    So, what are you saying Cam, that he lost his no-hitter?

  59. Cameron Says:

    He actually lost a perfect game.

  60. Cameron Says:

    Good streak, before Brantley, Luke had shut down the last 31 hitters he faced.

  61. Raul Says:

    2-2? Bah. I turn away for 10 minutes and look what happens.

  62. Raul Says:

    WTF! How did Melky not catch that? That ball was in the air forever.

  63. Raul Says:

    3-2 but Hochevar has pitched his ass off this game.

  64. Chuck Says:

    Clint Robinson was 4-4 today.

    “Hey, Kila, Neddy wants to see you in his office.”

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2011_04_20_mrbaaa_omaaaa_1

  65. JohnBowen Says:

    Raul: “Bartolo Colon induces a grounder to Short and Jeter takes like 2 steps, DIVES for it, and still can’t make the play. He knocked it down for an infield single.”

    Hey, 10 years ago he made an outstanding flip-play from behind home plate so yeah, I THINK HE KNOWS HOW TO FIELD HIS POSITION.

  66. Raul Says:

    So Hosmer is up to .415

  67. Chuck Says:

    “WTF! How did Melky not catch that?”

    Answered your own question.

  68. Raul Says:

    I don’t give a shit if you know how to field your position.

    When a ball takes like 4 bounces and it’s 12 feet to your left and you can’t get it…..you suck more dick than a Vegas hooker.

  69. Cameron Says:

    It’s Melky Cabrera, any more stupid questions?

  70. Cameron Says:

    Sweet holy piss, Omaha, you guys are awesome.

    And looks like Moose is trying to right the ship.

  71. Raul Says:

    New York Rangers, down 2 games to 1 are playing at home.
    They take a 3-0 lead on the Capitals into the 3rd, and allow 3 goals.

    It’s going into Overtime. Fuck me.

  72. Chuck Says:

    “It’s going into Overtime. Fuck me.”

    Me, too.

  73. Raul Says:

    I’m not sure how the hell the Cubs leave some kid named Darwin Barney in the game in the bottom of the 9th against Heath Bell with the tying run on 1B and 2 outs.

  74. Cameron Says:

    Barney’s not that bad a player, actually.

  75. Raul Says:

    Yeah I guess the Cubs didn’t have any lefties on the bench.

  76. Cameron Says:

    Oh, they started Tyler Colvin today?

  77. Chuck Says:

    I thought Tyler Colvin started everyday?

    You mean to tell me Kosuckme Fuckyoudummy plays everyday?

    And Cubs’ fans want to know why they stink.

  78. Raul Says:

    Luke Hochevar is going to get the loss and his numbers will look bad but he pitched a hell of a game and with the exception of 2 balks, there’s really nothing he did wrong tonight.

    The defense didn’t help him in that 6th inning and Hochevar did have a 2-0 lead, but when Masterson walks 5 batters, you have to get more than 2 runs off him. Come on, KC.

  79. Raul Says:

    Was listening to the Rangers overtime. Nice penalty kill but they’re letting the Caps put a lot of pressure on them. Hope they can take it in the 2nd OT.

  80. Cameron Says:

    Fun Fact: Groin Stiffness is a reason someone can be put on the DL.

    …I’d make a joke, but it’s like shooting fish in a barrel.

  81. Raul Says:

    Neftali Feliz is wild today

  82. Cameron Says:

    And I got bored and started using my copy of MLB 2K11 to simulate seasons running through the next 30 years of the MLB or so.

    …I’m only two years in and Clayton Kershaw has won back-to-back NL Cy Young Awards.

    2011 – 15-6, 2.06 ERA, 209 K
    2012 – 18-3, 2,08 ERA, 231 K

    Also, Ryan Braun had a monster 2012 for his first MVP Award.

    35 Doubles
    44 Home Runs
    103 RBI
    105 Runs Scored
    379 Total Bases
    .311 BA
    .365 OBP
    .584 SLG
    .949 OPS

    Scary thing? …I can actually see Ryan Braun putting that up as a real-life stat line in his career.

  83. Chuck Says:

    “Scary thing? …I can actually see Ryan Braun putting that up as a real-life stat line in his career.”

    Not in Milwaukee he won’t.

  84. Cameron Says:

    He can do that in Milwaukee, he’s team controlled for, what, the next 4 years?

  85. Chuck Says:

    What do you think will happen to him when you take Prince Fielder away?

    There’s not one pitcher in the league who’s afraid of Corey Hart.

    Braun will be lucky to see one strike a week.

  86. Cameron Says:

    Hart, McGehee, Weeks, there’s a fairly competent lineup around him that’ll be there.

    Of course, the game also said Prince stays in Milwaukee in 2012 and that probably jacked something up.

    Still, holy piss. Look at the numbers Kershaw put up, huh?

  87. JohnBowen Says:

    Braun’s under contract through 2015.

    He’s already had a .320/.386/.552 season.

    His career 162 game averages?

    .309/.368/.557, 36 HR, 117 RBI, 41 doubles, 112 runs scored, 360 total bases.

    “Not in Milwaukee he won’t.”

    More like: in Milwaukee, basically already has.

  88. Chuck Says:

    Basically.

  89. JohnBowen Says:

    “Of course, the game also said Prince stays in Milwaukee in 2012 and that probably jacked something up.”

    I could see Prince being very disappointed with the offers he gets.

    Personally, I wouldn’t give him any more than 4 years; before 2010, Melvin offered him 5/100.

    I would actually say that the Brewers are the 2nd most likely team for Prince to sign with behind the *has seizure*…Cubs.

  90. Cameron Says:

    I predicted Prince’s best offer at 5/90.

    Also, holy hell. Sometimes my game just does things that don’t make sense (Like Carl Crawford being a 2-time AL MVP on 30-50 HR/SB seasons), but sometimes the game just does something so awesome I can’t help but love it.

    Somehow Florida let Josh Johnson hit free agency and Boston picked him up to form a Johnson-Lester-Buccholz front three.

  91. Cameron Says:

    Choked on my drink there. Evan Longoria hits free agency. And your lucky winners are…

    *hits the button*

    The… NEW YORK YANKEES!

    …Why am I not surprised?

  92. Cameron Says:

    As of now, Jeff Francouer is tied for 4th in the league in RBI.

  93. Chuck Says:

    Prince will get about four years and no more than 60 million.

    There’s no market for him.

    The teams that could afford him are set at first base.

    I could see him getting big bucks from maybe Texas or the Angels, but he’d have to be willing to accept a DH role.

  94. Cameron Says:

    Who’s the primary DH in Anaheim? I could see the Angels shelling out big for him.

    Remember, Arte Moreno was stupid enough to trade for Vernon Wells and take on a truly untradeable contract. He’d be dumb enough to pay Prince 20+ million a year.

  95. JohnBowen Says:

    4y/60M is LESS than what would be left on his contract had he signed Melvin’s deal.

    The Brewers can definitely afford 15 a year for Prince.

    Hell, he’s already making 15.5 this year.

    Texas is such a clusterfuck right now. I don’t see them pursuing bats this offseason.

    The Angels are also a possibility. But man, they’ve got a lot of money tied up in some really crappy deals.

  96. JohnBowen Says:

    Abreu’s currently the DH in Anaheim. He’ll be a FA after the season; he’ll also be 37.

    Man, he’s had a pretty great, yet fairly under-the-radar career.

    Which is weird, because he batted 3rd for the Yankees for 2.5 of those years.

  97. Cameron Says:

    I actually predicted Texas as an offseason trade candidate for Prince and if they’re still contending, I could see them pursuing him. Either Michael Young or Mitch Moreland is out of a job in the process, but Prince in that ballpark? I’d tell Moreland he’s going somewhere as part of bringing in some pitching.

  98. Cameron Says:

    Um… Either I’m a genius in this game or something is seriously wrong.

    My pitching staff at A ball is as good as most major league pitching staffs after about 5 years of drafting new talent.

  99. Cameron Says:

    And going back to my custom player’s career, he capped off the series against Oakland by getting 2 hits in the game.

    A (opposite field) grand slam launched into the right-field bleachers off Brett Anderson and a 3-run homer lifted over the Green Monster off Brad Ziegler.

  100. Raul Says:

    Bobby Abreu is a nice player. He’d be even better if he was more aggressive.
    Watching him play in NY for those years, I really saw what a pussy he was.

    If there is any player in MLB that actually TRIES to walk, it’s Bobby Abreu.
    That motherfucker could have hit 35 homers in NY EASILY.

    I doubt he even hit 20.

  101. JohnBowen Says:

    “That motherfucker could have hit 35 homers in NY EASILY.”

    Eh?

    The whole point of laying off bad pitches is that it’s really tough to jack a ton of homeruns off them. Unless you’re Sosa, or Vlad or something.

  102. Raul Says:

    No John.

    No.

    He wasn’t laying off bad pitches. He was laying off everything.
    You look at Abreu’s stats in NY and think he was great because he scored 100 runs and drove in 100 runs. Those are good numbers if you’re in Arizona’s lineup. In NY, that asshole should have been cranking out 35-40 homers with like 150 RBI.

    I’m certain it’s the same shit in Anaheim. Go ahead and really follow him in Anaheim. But not the stats. Actually watch the games. He passes up a TON of pitches you could drive. And it’s not like he can’t take the pitcher deep. This fucker has power.

  103. Raul Says:

    Players born today:

    Ken Caminiti
    Kip Wells
    Al Bumbry
    Dick Green
    Gary Peters

    And the great Jesse Orosco.

  104. Chuck Says:

    Bill Kinnamon passed away last week.

    He was an AL umpire for ten years in the 60’s and had a pretty good view of a relatively historic moment.

  105. Raul Says:

    For a lot of people, he saw what was the only legitimate breaking of Babe Ruth’s record, Chuck.

  106. JohnBowen Says:

    “And the great Jesse Orosco.”

    I think he got the most HOF votes of anyone on there.

    “In NY, that asshole should have been cranking out 35-40 homers with like 150 RBI.”

    That’s what Arod was doing. You’re trashing Abreu because he didn’t have Arod’s numbers? You think Abreu was just a Jeff Francoeur approach away from being Arod?

  107. Raul Says:

    Bobby Abreu is not Alex Rodriguez.

    But Bobby Abreu was in a position to put up numbers more comparable to A-rod, and less comparable to Nick Markakis.

  108. Raul Says:

    I have to laugh now when I hear people talking about how over-used relievers are today.

    OMG, X-pitcher threw 80 innings last year!
    Are you friggin kidding me?

  109. JohnBowen Says:

    Do people who hit 3rd in the Yankee order regularly drive in 130-150 runs?

    I don’t think they do.

  110. Raul Says:

    How many left-handed #3 hitters have the Yankees had with Abreu’s power and contact ability?

    Mark Teixeira hit 3rd in 2009 and drove in 122 — with the crappiest April anyone can have.

    You can’t tell me Abreu couldn’t have done the same thing. Not when the sucker is looking at one of the shortest RF fences in the game.

  111. JohnBowen Says:

    Sure I can. Tex is a much better power hitter than Abreu.

    Paul O’Neill hit 3rd in the Yankee order in the late 1990’s and was usually right at 100.

  112. JohnBowen Says:

    Abreu didn’t even walk that much in NY.

  113. Bob Says:

    Ryan Kalish injured his elbow today.

  114. Raul Says:

    Tex has more power than Abreu.

    Tex is not a better hitter than Abreu. And Abreu has enough power to match Tex’s production at Yankee Stadium.

  115. Raul Says:

    I thought Ryan Kalish was at AAA.

  116. Bob Says:

    He is.

  117. Bob Says:

    As of Opening Day 2011, less than 9% of baseball players are African-American.

  118. Raul Says:

    What percentage of the NFL or NBA are white players?

    I don’t see the big deal when it comes to baseball.

  119. JohnBowen Says:

    “As of Opening Day 2011, less than 9% of baseball players are African-American.”

    That’s about where I’d expect it to be.

    I mean, 13% of Americans are African-American and 0% of all the international ballplayers MLB draws from are African-American, so 9% seems about on line.

  120. Bob Says:

    I was just quoting an article from ESPN, not trying to start a debate on affirmative action. I foud the stat somewhat interesting. Not thread starter worthy, just worthy of a comment.

  121. Raul Says:

    I’m waiting for a report on the percentage of black players in the NHL.

  122. Bob Says:

    I will get my ass right on it. Is there a puckcentral.com???

  123. Bob Says:

    Google African-American hockey players. The list is probably more extensive than you think.

  124. JohnBowen Says:

    Haha, I did.

    Most of the image results are hot white chicks.

  125. Cameron Says:

    Surprised this hasn’t been brought up yet.

    Ryan Braun signs contract extension, will be a Brewer through 2020.

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110421&content_id=18083158&vkey=news_mlb&c_id=mlb

  126. Raul Says:

    How has Ryan Braun not been in a commercial for Brawny paper towels?
    Yeah, it’s corny, but the money’s there. What the hell?

    Why the hell am I not an agent?

  127. Cameron Says:

    Probably because of ideas like that.

  128. Raul Says:

    This is like Milton Bradley not being a spokesman for Monopoly.
    Well, he’s stone cold f*ck nuts. But that’s besides the point.
    I mean, you could make a commercial where he gets a Get Out Of Jail Free card.

    Ok, maybe that was wrong, lol.

  129. Raul Says:

    Shut up Cameron.

    I don’t see any KC Royals getting any commercial deals.
    What’s Frenchy going to sell? Fake rally moustaches if the Royals are contending in August?

  130. Cameron Says:

    Love you too, buddy.

  131. Raul Says:

    Major League Baseball and the MLB Players Association announced an agreement Thursday to make annual payments to players who retired before 1980 but did not have enough service time to qualify for a pension benefit via the MLB Players Benefit Plan.

    Since the 1980 season, all Major League players vested as members of the Benefit Plan after one day of service in the big leagues. But prior to 1980, players needed four years of Major League service time to qualify. Now, under the new agreement, players who retired between Jan. 1, 1947, and Jan. 1, 1980, with no retirement benefits for their Major League service will receive $10,000 annually, which will be funded by the Commissioner’s Office and the MLBPA.

    The parties have committed to the payments for an initial period of two years, according to an MLB-issued release, which stated that “payments beyond the initial period will be discussed in collective bargaining.”

    Thursday’s announcement, which took place at a news conference in New York, is yet another positive sign as MLB moves into negotiations for a new Collective Bargaining Agreement, with the current deal expiring at the end of this year.

    “Very simply, we felt that this was the right thing to do for these former players, who contributed to our game’s unparalleled history,” Commissioner Allan H. (Bud) Selig said in a statement. “I am very pleased that we have partnered with the Players Association to take this step.”

    At the news conference, Selig was joined by MLBPA executive director Michael Weiner, MLB executive vice president of labor relations Rob Manfred, MLB Players Alumni Association CEO Dan Foster and former Major League first baseman and general manager Eddie Robinson.

    Wow, 10 grand. Finally they can get on the yacht and pop champagne.

  132. Cameron Says:

    An extended pension plan? 10 grand isn’t that much to pay out to the old scrub players. How many players do you think will benefit from this?

  133. Chuck Says:

    Thousands.

    I’m not sure of the details of the settlement, or even if they’re related, but, back in 2002 Mike Colbern, Larry Yount and “close to a thousand” former players sued MLB and the MLBPA over the fact MLB agreed to issue pensions to some Negro Leaguers.

    In the suit, it was claimed, obviously, the Negro leaguers weren’t entitled to pensions and that there are, “thousands” of former ML players who qualified, specifically as it related to medical retirements.

    Colbern and Yount had short careers in part because of injury, and were entitled to medical benefits and health care.

    I played golf with Colbern not long ago and he plays in orthopedic sandals because he developed arthritis in his feet after years of compensating for a knee injury.

    It shouldn’t be lost on anyone that the suit was in and out of local and federal courts for nine years, and a settlement was reached between the two parties less than six months after Donald Fehr resigned as MLBPA chief.

    If it’s even possible, Fehr’s a bigger cocksucker than Scott Boras.

  134. Jim Says:

    “Haha, I did.

    Most of the image results are hot white chicks.”

    Do you think that has something to do with your history of prior searches?

    Regarding the payout to plays who retired prior to 1980. $10K isn’t a lot relative to what players who retired in the last 20 years get, but for someone retired its nothing to sneeze at. If IIRC the minimum payout under Social Security is about $13,500 a year.

  135. Raul Says:

    What does Ryan Braun’s contract extension mean for Prince Fielder?

  136. Cameron Says:

    His fat ass is out of a job.

  137. Raul Says:

    Bud Selig is saying the League will move towards adding another Wild Card team next season.

    The 2 Wild Card teams would play each other with the winner advancing to face Division winners.

    Scheduling remains a concern.

    I don’t see the point of another Wild Card team. Just create another division so you have 4 in each league, like the NFL.

    Or, as some have said, just go back to an East/West system and pick the top 4 teams on each side to go to the playoffs.

  138. Raul Says:

    I might be confused, but as I understand it, you would have your 3 division winners (let’s say NY, Detroit, Texas). And then the two teams with the next best records (maybe Boston and Oakland).

    Boston would play Oakland, and the winner would play the Division Winner with the best record (say…Texas).

    NY and Detroit would be division winners who play each other.

    I think that’s how it would work.

  139. Cameron Says:

    “I don’t see the point of another Wild Card team. Just create another division so you have 4 in each league, like the NFL.”

    The NFL still has 2 wildcards on top of the 4 divisions.

    There’s, uh, one problem with your plan, though. The MLB really doesn’t have enough teams to split into 4 divisions. Look at the AL, how do you split 14 teams 4 ways?

  140. Cameron Says:

    Ten team brackets are pretty easy, you got it right. I think, in an ideal situation, the #1 seed gets the bye into

    Example time!

    AL Wildcard Round
    -
    New York Yankees vs. Kansas City Royals

    ALDS
    -
    Boston Red Sox (Seed 1) vs. Chicago White Sox (Seed 3)
    Oakland Athletics (Seed 2) vs. Kansas City Royals (Wildcard Winner)

  141. Raul Says:

    True.

    I would prefer to go with an AL East/AL West system and split it down the middle.

    AL East:

    Boston
    New York
    Baltimore
    Tampa
    Chicago
    Cleveland
    Toronto

    AL West:

    Seattle
    Anaheim
    Texas
    Kansas City
    Oakland
    Detroit
    Minnesota

    Top 4 teams in each division make the playoffs. Or, if you want, make the 4th and 5th place teams face each other in a 3 game playoff and then continue as normal from there.

    That might add some drama.

    The only other thing that would interest me is some sort of league that mimics the European Soccer leagues. You couldn’t do relegation. That won’t work here. But I see no reason why a floating division couldn’t work where you re-align teams based on past performance.

    I realize that’s hard for some stupid Americans to grasp but just because some people are stupid and want to memorize where a team is doesn’t mean the League has to be bound by it.

  142. Bob Says:

    Jason Bay makes his season debut for the Mets tonight.

  143. Raul Says:

    I realize I said Top 4 teams on each division make the playoffs.
    That’s 8 teams and might be too many considering how long it takes MLB to go through the playoffs.

    Suppose you limit it to 6. Still, I think I like the idea.

  144. Cameron Says:

    I still think you should go one step outside the box. Make the AL and NL just act as their own divisions and take the top 4 teams and work on a balanced schedule. I suppose you could even do the top 5 and use the system right now.

  145. Cameron Says:

    6 teams? That’d be really easy to figure out. Use the NFL seeding system, copy and paste.

  146. Chuck Says:

    The best thing about MLB is it’s NOT the NFL.

    I don’t want some below .500 team in the playoffs.

    I don’t even want the POSSIBILITY of a below .500 team in the playoffs.

  147. Bob Says:

    I agree. Another wild card team? What horseshit.

  148. Raul Says:

    You have to understand that MLB is a business and if adding another Wild Card team generates more money, they’re going to do it.

    Times change. Things change.
    There was resistance to add even 1 Wild Card team 15 years ago. That has worked out well for the League.

    Sure, there’s some complains that eventually you’re moving towards having every team in the playoffs but that’s just not realistic. There is a line somewhere. MLB and other sports are exploring it.

    If you were to add another team to the playoff mix last season, you would have seen the Red Sox and Padres. Both teams were well above the .500 mark.

    And under Selig’s proposed system, the Red Sox would have played the Yankees, and the Braves would have played the Padres.

    That’s adding 2 pretty huge markets of viewers and advertisers.
    From a business perspective, you have no choice but to entertain the idea.

  149. Cameron Says:

    “The best thing about MLB is it’s NOT the NFL.

    I don’t want some below .500 team in the playoffs.

    I don’t even want the POSSIBILITY of a below .500 team in the playoffs.”

    That was the product of an entire division being run into the ground by morons for years.

    But say you take Raul’s 2-division or my 1-division idea and take the top 3/6, there’s gonna be a real tough time for a sub-.500 team to make it.

  150. Cameron Says:

    Big markets in the postseason and playoff hunts drive up ratings like a motherfucker, the extra TV/ticket revenue from fans watching their teams trying to get into the playoffs is big. More playoff teams, more money.

  151. JohnBowen Says:

    “The best thing about MLB is it’s NOT the NFL.
    I don’t want some below .500 team in the playoffs.
    I don’t even want the POSSIBILITY of a below .500 team in the playoffs.”

    In the entire history of the NFL, that has happened one time.

    Exactly as many times as MLB (‘81 Royals, but that’s a freak case).

    MLB has seen the Cardinals (83-78) make the playoffs and win the world series. The ‘73 Mets won 82 games and won the pennant. Other basically .500 teams in the playoffs have included the ‘97 Astros and the ‘08 Dodgers.

    There’s definitely a POSSIBILITY of a team in MLB making the playoffs with a sub-.500 record, it just hasn’t happened yet, except with the Royals with the split season.

    Frankly, I like Raul’s division split, but I don’t want EIGHT bleeping teams in the playoffs. Two division winners, 2-4 WC’s, depending on how you wanna do it. But I don’t see any huge reason to change. At the same time, if they add another wildcard, I won’t be upset.

    I’m so stoked about this Braun deal.

    “His fat ass is out of a job.”

    Being unemployed and not being an employee of the Brewers aren’t the same thing.

  152. Chuck Says:

    “In the entire history of the NFL, that has happened one time.”

    Which is one too many.

    Smartass.

  153. Raul Says:

    I think you could do 3 things to fit in an extra team.

    1. Go back to a 154 game season.
    2. Schedule doubleheaders into the season.
    3. Shorten the days off between playoff games.

    Going to a 154 game season would essentially shave a week off the season.

    You could use that last week in September to have that play-in series with the Wild Card. Call it Wild Card Week or something. Promote the hell out of it. Market it everywhere. Baseball does one of the worst jobs at marketing itself.

    You wouldn’t even have to split the division in 2 (although I’d like to).
    But suppose you have the following division winners in the AL:

    New York
    Detroit
    Texas

    Let’s say the Wild Card teams are Oakland and Chicago.

    During Wild Card Week make Oakland play Chicago (better record has home field advantage). The winner plays the team with the best record that is not in their division. So let’s suppose Chicago won.

    Chicago would then play Texas. Detroit would play the Yankees.

    This is (with the exception of the “Wild Card Week”) what I think Selig is proposing.

    I’d like to consider a system that incorporates an East/West alignment but I need to think about it a bit more.

  154. JohnBowen Says:

    “2. Schedule doubleheaders into the season.”

    That should happen anyway.

  155. Cameron Says:

    Couple of questions.

    1) The MLB doesn’t plan on holding onto the Dodgers forever, so who is the next Dodgers owner? The only major name being discussed who hasn’t denied his interest is Chicago White Sox executive Jerry Gilbert.

    2) The MLB has set a deadline for the Mets’ $25 million loan to be paid back at the end of the season, which Selig thinks the Mets will make on time. Does New York default on this payment?

  156. Chuck Says:

    “I think you could do 3 things to fit in an extra team.”

    Shorten spring training.

    Major league baseball players don’t need 30-35 spring training games to get ready for a 162 game season.

    They’ve been playing baseball their entire lives.

    Two or three weeks of workouts, maybe fifteen games, then get on with it.

  157. Raul Says:

    Fair point, Chuck.

    Most of the regulars are out of the game by the 5th inning anyway

  158. Chuck Says:

    Spring training is 100% profit for the owners.

    Very little overhead.

    No player salaries.

    That’s why ST is so long.

  159. Cameron Says:

    Bad News: FSN Midwest isn’t broadcasting tonight’s game.
    Good News: Mlb.tv is doing a free game where non-subscribers can watch, and it’s the Royals game.

    Bad News: It’s not the FSN Midwest broadcast team.
    Good News: You don’t have to listen to Ryan Lefebvre.

  160. Cameron Says:

    Kila…. What the fuck was that?

  161. Cameron Says:

    Huh… The Indians have a pretty good production crew. Guys really know how to use camera angles for dramatic effect.

  162. Chuck Says:

    “The Indians have a pretty good production crew”

    If Cleveland was smart, they’d get them all uniforms.

  163. John Says:

    Wow, my favorite player sure looked awful trying to cut off that Gordon double…

  164. Cameron Says:

    Shin-Soo Choo is good, but he was always the second banana in that outfield.

    But with Grady Sizemore on the DL the last two years, we all forgot that.

  165. John Says:

    I don’t know of a lot of RFers who are “first banana.”

  166. Cameron Says:

    You kidding? I’d say about half of the right fielders in the league are the star players in their outfields. …Okay, most of them are stars by deafult due to weak LF and CF, but still.

  167. John Says:

    Most of them are stars because of their bats.

    Were you talking about all-around players?

  168. Cameron Says:

    Well, I consider all-around players by how much they help their team with their skills. Let’s look at… Oh, the Yankees.

    I argue that Swisher is the best player in that outfield. His glove and legs are far weaker than both Gardner and Granderson’s, but he’s not that much of a defensive liability.

    Then again, Gardner hits like a little league softballer and Granderson can’t hit lefties even if he had cheat codes. Swisher’s bat could play in the middle of lineups on just about any other team.

    So, is Swisher as well-rounded as the other two? No. Does he have tools so much greater than his counterparts that it makes up for it? Yes.

  169. John Says:

    Oh ok.

    I was just talking about D.

  170. Cameron Says:

    Yeah. Choo is a good player, but he can’t carry a healthy Sizemore’s jockstrap.

  171. John Says:

    How about that throw from Melky?

  172. Cameron Says:

    The one that cut off that run at the plate? Good throw, good play by Treanor, too.

  173. Cameron Says:

    Jesus, Raul was right. That IS the Ultimate Warrior’s theme. Billy Butler uses it for his walk-up music.

  174. Cameron Says:

    And Jeff Francouer walked up to Crazy Train.

    The Royals: We Rock

  175. John Says:

    Grady Sizemore didn’t look too good there. He’s lucky that ball bounced where it did.

  176. John Says:

    Man, how could Escobar not bite on that 1-2 pitch.

    It missed according to K-zone.

    But BARELY

  177. John Says:

    Wow Escobar.

    Just. Wow.

  178. John Says:

    And he scores the winning run.

    What a finish!

  179. Cameron Says:

    YES!!!!

    Walk-off win for KC off a 2 RBI single by Melky Cabrera!

  180. John Says:

    Game winning hit for Melky Cabrera with the bases loaded down 2-1.

  181. Cameron Says:

    I’m pretty sure that’s Melky’s second walk-off of the year.

  182. Raul Says:

    Beckett’s got a no hitter going.
    I hope my mention of it means he blows it in the 6th.

  183. Cameron Says:

    Honestly, I’d like to see Beckett do it just because I do like Josh Beckett as a pitcher. When he’s on, he’s amazing. These last two years haven’t been right. I miss the old Josh.

  184. Cameron Says:

    There goes Beckett’s no-no, time to keep tabs on the one Oswalt is throwing.

  185. Cameron Says:

    Well, I’m done.

  186. John Says:

    Well that one is broken up.

  187. Raul Says:

    Beckett’s at 86 pitches through 6.
    Oswalt is at 93 pitches through 5.

    Oswalt is going to come out after the 6th inning, most likely. And that’s bullshit. If these managers weren’t so afraid of the 110-115 pitch mark, Oswalt could probably give them 7 innings.

  188. Mike Felber Says:

    A max of 6 teams in the playoffs, so that the importance of regular season performance is not watered down. For historical continuity I would stay with 162, 154 would also be a reduction in revenue. More Doubleheaders & less off games between PS games would be plenty. Whether a floating division or more wild cards, I would prefer that to making more divisions, as those with the best records are rewarded.

    So no more total teams added to the playoffs. I am surprised in a much shorter history that the NFL has had only one team under .500 make the playoffs. But how many who broke even, or who were one game over?

    Yes, you could squeeze more $ out of people if you added playoff teams. But especially in a 162 game season, I think that this waters down the importance of what went before.

  189. Raul Says:

    Are you going to stop watching baseball if they “water down” the regular season by adding another playoff team?

    No.

    So how does baseball lose by doing so?

  190. Cameron Says:

    One game over is a .562 winning percentage. Extrapolate that to a MLB 162-game season and you have a 91 win team, or every team in the postseason last year.

    And the only 8-8 team that came to mind is the 2008 Arizona Cardinals, and they may be the only one. Certainly the only one in recent memory.

  191. John Says:

    I completely understand why there are pitch-counts.

    But I can’t understand why there’s this presumption that there’s a universal hard number that all pitchers share.

    Oswalt, for example, is a 10 year veteran with 2000 career innings under his belt. He’s had 30 starts every year for the past 7 or 8. He’s not going to have the same pitch count as freaking Madison Bumgardner.

    Or, for that matter, as Roy Oswalt, circa a week ago.

    Sometimes 85 pitches feels like a trek through hell.
    Sometimes 120 pitches feels like a breeze.

    It all depends on whether your stuff is working.

  192. John Says:

    Cam,

    The 2008 Cardinals were 9-7 as I recall.

    There have been 8-8 teams. The Vikings made it in 2004, and actually beat the Packers to advance to the divisional round.

    In 2006, I know that there were several 8-8 teams (including my Packers) and at least one got into the playoffs (not my Packers).

    I think the NFL system works out pretty well. The lowest record by a team with a super bowl appearance is 9-7…the Cardinals did that, but by the time the Superbowl came around they were 12-7, so who cares?

  193. Raul Says:

    Exactly, John.

    Oswalt came out after 6 innings and 105 pitches. The Phillies were up 3-0 with what I think was the bottom of the lineup. He’d given up 1 hit. One hit. ONE HIT. ONE-STINKING-HIT.

    Philly had to use 2 relievers to get through the 7th inning.
    That’s just bullshit.

  194. Raul Says:

    Yeah the last thing the NFL needs is the shitty 9-7 Arizona Cardinals making the playoffs and getting to the championship game to give the league what was arguably one of the best 3 Super Bowls in its fucking history.

  195. Cameron Says:

    The 8-8 New York Giants were there in 2006.

    Fun Fact: Even figuring in an extra win in the playoffs, the 2010 Seattle Seahawks STILL finished below .500.

    Funner Fact: As a result of their season Seattle will get…

    A) A division winner’s schedule.
    B) A playoff game winner’s draft pick.
    C) Quite possibly, a season where they have to start Charlie Whitehurst full-time.

    If they had any sense, they would’ve just thrown the game.

  196. Mike Felber Says:

    That is a good point about the equivalent win % of a one over .500 NFL record. But even without a systematic search, John found a few at .500. MLB does not lose in terms of eyes or $ Raul. It is a judgment call re: if the integrity of a long season’s significance is eroded if more teams make the PS. Baseball always had a low % of those who get there compared to other sports. Certainly if someone proposed, say, a 12 teal playoff most all would say this is absurd.

    Though that would not disproportionate at all with other sports do. I think they should only make less divisions, more wild cards if the want to change, honor the better records. I do not think any sport should have more than 2 rounds of playoffs & a championship round: that makes victory too dependent on the random chance of who is hot in a particular short series.

    Unless a sport gets to like 40 teams.

  197. John Says:

    Yeah, no one would’ve cared if the Rams had made the playoffs at 8-8.

    @194

    That really was an incredible super bowl. Plus, everyone loves an underdog. If the only teams in the playoffs had 11 and 12 wins, are there really any underdogs?

    Beckett’s at 111 and not going anywhere yet.

  198. Raul Says:

    MLB does need to make the first round of the playoffs a best-of-7 round.

  199. John Says:

    Great job by Rodney to get out of that inning. Bases loaded, 1 out…strikes out Drew and gets Pedroia to pop up.

    Then Drew and Pedroia come right back out and execute a perfect relay to gun down Bourjos on an attempted triple. Never make the first out where, Peter?

  200. John Says:

    “MLB does need to make the first round of the playoffs a best-of-7 round.”

    …why?

  201. Cameron Says:

    There would’ve been bitching, but not nearly as much.

    And the ALDS a best-of-7? If you shortened the off days but added more game days, it’s the same length essentially. …More money for the league, though.

    If they add this second wildcard, though, there’s pretty much no possibility of best of seven throughout unless you want to see games called for snow.

    …Or holding the World Series on a neutral site, and that could very well cause riots.

  202. Raul Says:

    I agree with Beckett still being in there.
    He should come out soon but it’s a tie game and this guy is arguably your staff leader. And the Redsox need wins.

    Papelbon should come in next.
    I’m so sick of managers holding back their closers because they might need them the rest of the week. Fuck the rest of the week. You need to win now. Shit, you might not even be in a “save position” for the next 5 days.

  203. Raul Says:

    Why does the first round need to be 7 games?
    We’ve already been through this shit.

    It’s advantageous to the weaker team.
    You might as well make it a fucking 1-game series.

  204. Raul Says:

    Let me re-phrase.
    The 5-game series is advantageous to the weaker team.

  205. John Says:

    Hypothetical “5th teams” :

    NL:
    2010: Padres (90-72)
    2009: Giants (88-74)
    2008: Mets (89-73)
    2007: Padres (89-73)
    2006: Phillies (85-77)
    2005: Phillies (85-77)
    2004: Giants (91-71)
    2003: Astros (87-75)
    2002: Dodgers (92-70)
    2001: Giants (90-72)

    AL:
    2010: Red Sox (89-73)
    2009: Rangers (87-75)
    2008: Yankees (89-73)
    2007: Mariners & Tigers (88-74)
    2006: White Sox (90-72)
    2005: Indians (93-69)
    2004: A’s (91-71)
    2003: Mariners (93-69)
    2002: Red Sox & Mariners (93-69)
    2001: Twins (85-77)

    I don’t have a strong opinion either way, but I don’t think any of these teams really cheapens the playoff experience. Maybe the Twins in 01. Those Phillies teams in 05-06 (all those fucking bandwagon fans could’ve had their Ryan Howard throw-backs two years early. What? Yeah, I’ve always been a Phillies fan, I just got this throwback Rollins jersey in November, 2008. Pretty cool, huh?)

  206. John Says:

    7 game series have TONS of freak upsets.

    03 Marlins?
    06 Cards (TWICE)
    01 Yankees (ALCS)
    00 Yankees

    The 1997 World Series saw Chad Ogea outpitch Kevin Brown. TWICE.

    Either way it’s a small sample size.

    I don’t want this shit to become the NBA playoffs, where they play for 4 months to eliminate the Clippers, and then play ANOTHER 4 MONTH SEASON.

  207. John Says:

    Beckett’s out. Makes sense. The Angels had some good rips in that last inning. Bourjos was gunned down trying to stretch a double into a triple (moron), and someone else (Aybar maybe?) cranked a ball down the line that was foul by maybe 6 inches.

    Daniel Bard is out there.

    He has a 5.40 ERA in 8 games. Yikes.

    Beautiful play by the SS. Lowrie? Scutaro? I’m only half watching this thing. LOL

    Here’s Abreu.

    I see what you’re talking about, Raul. Two perfectly hittable strikes. Let’em go right by him. Just now, he takes on a pitch that’s simply way too close to take with two strikes. Off the plate by not by much. Whiffs for the K.

  208. John Says:

    Torii Hunter has accounted for all of Anaheim’s scoring so far. I thought his signing was sure to flop, but it’s actually turned out alright for the Angels. He’s had some of his biggest offensive years in SoCal.

  209. Cameron Says:

    Bobby Abreu is the poster child for how to be too patient at the plate.

  210. Raul Says:

    I’ll be fair about it.

    If Abreu wants to take 5 pitches in the 3rd inning, so be it. Dude, it’s a tie game in the 9th. Swing the bat.

  211. Mike Felber Says:

    Amen to that John. But I could see an argument to make all the rounds 7 games. It at least reduces the odds of upsets, & while you are correct that the so called 5th teams do not usually make a big difference in overall playoff quality, Any time it does is important, since that involves the rewards for a while season.

    I would prefer it be conservative & harder to accomplish.

  212. John Says:

    I would say that’s Nick Johnson.

    Abreu’s done his fair share of damage at the plate. Maybe he could be more aggressive, but all in all he’s gotten some good hacks in over the years.

  213. Raul Says:

    Nick Johnson.

    That guy could break every bone in his body in a padded cell.

  214. John Says:

    To the 11th we go…

  215. John Says:

    “That guy could break every bone in his body in a padded cell.”

    Probably why he never swings.

    Afraid he’ll pull his uterus.

  216. Raul Says:

    lol

  217. John Says:

    Adrian Gonzalez just broke the tie with an RBI double.

  218. John Says:

    Sloppy baserunning just now. Groundball to the shortstop. Infield’s in. Gonzalez takes off, but the guy on third holds, so he just gets tagged out.

  219. John Says:

    Wow.

    Pedroia got caught in a rundown on a groundball to the shortstop just now (more sloppy baserunning).

    He got back to third.

    The umpire ruled that he wasn’t out of the line in avoiding the tag.

    I think the umpire blew that one. Pedroia was way out there.

  220. Raul Says:

    About time Gonzalez gets me some fantasy points.

  221. John Says:

    Haha, so that’s why you were all pissed about him.

    A couple years ago, I was really frustrated with Teixeira’s shitty start with the Yankees so I tried to trade him for pitching help (Webb had been my top pitching pick that year…yeah). No one wanted to give up anyone of high enough quality and Teixeira ended up leading the league in HR and RBI that season. Finished 2nd in the MVP voting (to Mauer, also on my team).

    I wonder if there are any fantasy leagues that use WAR, EqA, and UZR. That’d be some shit.

  222. John Says:

    Anyone else watching this Angels-Sox game? They just showed the replay. No effing way Pedroia stayed in the baseline while avoiding that tag. I can’t even begin to fathom what the ump was thinking about.

  223. Raul Says:

    I was watching the game but I decided to youtube videos of rants and shit.
    Alec Baldwin in Malice and Glengarry Glen Ross was great.

  224. John Says:

    Sox win.

    That was a great game…even if I was only kinda watching it.

  225. John Says:

    Oh, and my bad.

    It was Aybar that got gunned down trying to stretch a double into a triple, not Bourjos.

    The two are nothing alike aside from being fast.

  226. Cameron Says:

    Raul, if you want a good rant, check out Ed Norton in 25th Hour.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Za2k5wA3sk

  227. John Says:

    When have the Dodgers ever – fucking ever – worn powder blue?

  228. Raul Says:

    This was 35 years ago.

    http://youtu.be/zI5hrcwU7Dk

    http://youtu.be/MTN3s2iVKKI

  229. Cameron Says:

    Um… 187Whogivesashit?

  230. Cameron Says:

    And that wasn’t powder blue. It was some sort of light steel blue or some shit.

    THIS is a powder blue uniform. http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/bo%20jackson.jpg

  231. John Says:

    I bought a powder blue Robin Yount jersey for the season.

    I really should get on buying a Ryan Braun jersey since he’s basically put him in line to eclipse Yount as the greatest Brewer ever.

  232. Raul Says:

    So I was looking at Ryan Braun’s baseball reference page and noticed some things.

    One is that his nickname appears to be Hebrew Hammer. Uh, ok.
    And another is in his similarity scores he compares to Chick Hafey. I’ve never heard of Chick Hafey.

    But apparently Hafey posted 4 straight years of slugging .590 or better in the late 1920s. He’s also in the hall of fame.

  233. Cameron Says:

    How in the hell did I forget Ryan Braun was Jewish?

  234. Raul Says:

    Because the only jews to get notoriety in baseball were Hank Greenberg and Sandy Koufax.

    Walter Sobchak: Three thousand years of beautiful tradition, from Moses to Sandy Koufax…

    Gotta love The Big Lebowski.

  235. Cameron Says:

    The rarity is kind of the thing that surprised me. The last athletic Jewish man I remember was Bill Goldberg, a linebacker for the Atlanta Falcons.

    Oh yeah, I think he wrestled on the side or something, too.

  236. John Says:

    Hardly anyone calls him that in Milwaukee. It’s well known that he’s Jewish, it’s a nickname that occasionally gets thrown around, but mostly it’s just Brauny.

  237. John Says:

    Shawn Green? Ian Kinsler?

  238. Cameron Says:

    Note to Self: Start paying attention.

    Also, as much as I love watching Ian Kinsler play, I tune out on his biography when I see “University of Missouri graduate”. The jayhawk in me can’t give two shits about Tigers. I think that may be the reason that I treat the division rivalry with Detroit with the most heat.

  239. John Says:

    Historically speaking, the Royals’ greatest rivalry is definitely with the Yankees.

    Of course, that rivalry has been kinda dead for 30 or so years.

  240. Raul Says:

    Maybe Luke Hochevar should drill Jeter in the back, because…fuck that guy.

  241. Cameron Says:

    That’s why I noted “Division Rivalry”. Though it seems to be consensus in Kansas City that out of the 4 division teams that come here, travelling Detroit fans are the worst of the bunch.

    Not speaking on the Tigers fans as a whole, but out of the ones that travel, Detroit’s the low end of the scale. For anyone who’s interested, Twins fans are pretty nice, and travel freakishly well in terms of filling up the stands.

  242. Chuck Says:

    “Yeah. Choo is a good player, but he can’t carry a healthy Sizemore’s jockstrap.”

    True.

    “How about that throw from Melky?”

    He was in short center and threw a fly ball to the plate.

    Yeah, he got an assist on the play, but I wouldn’t be braggin’.

    “Or, for that matter, as Roy Oswalt, circa a week ago.”

    He’s been battling a bad back lately. Charlie Manuel told him before the game he was coming out after six, max.

    “When have the Dodgers ever – fucking ever – worn powder blue?”

    1944.

    “I really should get on buying a Ryan Braun jersey since he’s basically put him in line to eclipse Yount as the greatest Brewer ever.”

    Meet me in Cooperstown in 2030 and we’ll talk. Until then, go wash your mouth out with soap.

    And Braun’s a jerk.

    “Afraid he’ll pull his uterus.”

    LOL.

    Did anyone notice JD Drew hit leadoff for the Sox last night?

    Somebody here made that suggestion a week or so ago, don’t remember who.

    Props to whomever it was…good call.

  243. Chuck Says:

    Some guy named Chad Huffman hit three homers and had ten ribbies for the Indians AAA team last night.

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/gameday/index.jsp?gid=2011_04_21_louaaa_colaaa_1

    Notice who the Louisville starting pitcher was.

    Cincinnati doesn’t get him back healthy, it could be a long summer.

  244. Kerry Says:

    John@205:

    Just to carry it back a little further (to the beginning of the 30-team era):

    2000: Cle 90-72
    1999: Oak 87-75
    1998: Tor 88-74

    2000: LAD 86-76
    1999: NYM & Cin 96-66
    1998: ChC & SFG 89-73

    In the NL in 1998, 1999 and 2007, there was a one-game playoff for the wild card, which under the new format would have just been the wild card play-in game/series.

    The AL would have had two playoff games for the 5th wild card spot, in 2002 and 2007.

    As John mentioned, the worst team to get in was 85-77. There were a number of teams who would have made it as a third-place team in the division:

    2010 Bos
    2009 SFG
    2008 NYY
    2007 SDP
    2006 ChW
    2002 LAD (and Sea if they win the playoff for the 5th spot)
    1998 Tor & SFG

    Third place teams making it are mostly from the AL East (no surprise) and NL West (not really a surprise after you think about it).

    One possible hitch is if you have two teams tie for a division lead, who also tie with a second place team in another division, as in this example:

    East: 1st 98-64, 2nd 92-70, 3rd 85-77, …
    Cent: 1st 89-73, 2nd 89-73, 3rd 84-78, …
    West: 1st 97-65, 2nd 89-73, 3rd 82-70, …

    Then the top two Central teams have to play off for the division,, then the loser of that has to play the 2nd place team in the West for the 5th spot. Then you have the wild cards face each other. The extra layer of playoffs can really make for a mess if there are ties. A double playoff can happen under the current system, but the new system is already pushing it as far as scheduling is concerned.

  245. Raul Says:

    Nice job, Kerry.

  246. Raul Says:

    Could stats analysis have predicted the 1998 Yankees would win 114 games?

  247. Cameron Says:

    It seems everyone’s favorite pitcher thinks off-days and pitch counts are bullshit too.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pf_HoE-mRoQ&feature=related

  248. Raul Says:

    I’m at work.
    What did Felix say?

  249. Cameron Says:

    It’s a commercial of Felix Hernandez taking the mound in fake sideburns and a mullet.

    Eric Wedge: Felix, I know you love to compete, but you pitched yesterday.
    Felix: I’m not Felix, I’m Larry.
    Eric: Larry… *checks the back of his jersey* Bernandez?
    Felix: …Yes?

    *Eric takes the ball, flash to a lefty throwing in the pen with a blnde mustache and long hair, also wearing #34*

    Eric: Who’s the new lefty?

  250. Raul Says:

    The Oswalt situation yesterday was the perfect example.

    Oswalt came out of a 3-0 game where he allowed 1 hit over 6 innings. But he had 106 pitches.

    In the 7th, the Phillies had to use 2 pitchers to get through the inning.
    Herndon (who has sucked thus far) and Bastardo, who went on to finish the inning and complete the 8th.

    In the 9th, Jose Contreras came in for the “save”.

    If I remember correctly, Oswalt was removed from the game even though in the 7th inning, he would have faced the bottom of the lineup.

    He should have pitched the 7th, and even if he would have thrown another 15 pitches, he would have been at 120 for the game. Is that so astronomical? For a staff ace with a decade of experience? Are you friggin kidding me?

    At that point you should remove Oswalt and bring in your relievers. BUT…if it’s still a 3-0 game in the 8th, you need to bring in your best reliever…meaning your closer…meaning, in this case, Jose Contreras to pitch the final 2 innings.

    I would have no problem if Contreras pitches the 8th, and in the top of the 9th, the Phillies score 2 runs and you bring in Bastardo or Herndon to wrap it up with a 5 run lead.

    That’s how you’re supposed to manage the game.
    This 100-pitch benchmark is really pissing me the f*ck off.

  251. Lefty33 Says:

    “He should have pitched the 7th, and even if he would have thrown another 15 pitches, he would have been at 120 for the game. Is that so astronomical? For a staff ace with a decade of experience? Are you friggin kidding me?”

    The Phillies decision to pull Oswalt was not based on pitch count so much as to protect his back that he hurt in his prior start.

    The team made the right call by pulling him.

    Why tax his back in April when you really need him in September/October?

  252. Cameron Says:

    He needed about 100 pitches to make it through 6 and his back was hurt. I’d let him pitch the 7th if he felt he had it in him and yank him on the first hit.

    …I take a Sparky Anderson “Captain Hook” style of pitcher management.

  253. Cameron Says:

    Pittsburgh put a claim on Brandon Wood and intend to use him as a shortstop. Called it.

  254. Cameron Says:

    And the Angels didn’t request a trade or cash, they just let the Pirates take him.

    …Ouch.

  255. Raul Says:

    Bullshit.

    If he’s fine to pitch, he’s fine for the duration of the game.
    If you believe him when he says he feels good, then you run his ass out there like he’s 100%.

    If you’re that concerned, don’t start him.

  256. Raul Says:

    Brandon Wood is listed at 6′3, 205 lbs.

    That’s pretty big for a SS. I don’t know if he’s even played SS before. But with Pedro Alvarez at 3B, I’m going to guess that Pittsburgh has no range on the left side of the infield.

  257. Raul Says:

    I would say that maybe Brandon Wood should talk to Alex Gordon. Both players were once top prospects and both have struggled. But Alex has gotten off to a good start so maybe he could offer some advice to help Wood.

    On the other hand, Cameron probably thinks the mere presence of Wood might rub off bad luck and corrupt Gordon so maybe they should avoid each other at all costs.

  258. Cameron Says:

    Wood was a shortstop pretty much all the way up to Anaheim, actually. He plays there pretty well from what I understand.

    And yes, Alex Gordon is finally playing like Alex Gordon. Don’t touch him.

  259. Chuck Says:

    I will be live blogging the Dbacks/Mets game beginning at 4pm PST.

    I don’t get many opportunities to do this, and while I realize today is a Friday and a holiday weekend the chances are great I’ll be talking to myself, just wanted to give you all a heads up.

  260. Cameron Says:

    I’ll be here, I’ve got nothing to do.

  261. Raul Says:

    Juan Uribe has 4 RBI today.

    If that doesn’t make you want to kill someone, I don’t know what would.

  262. Raul Says:

    ESPN.com has a story on it’s baseball page that former major leaguer, Brian McRae was arrested for DUI.

    Brian McRae hasn’t appeared in a major league game since 1999.

    ESPN, I fucking hate you.

    If there’s one place I want some terrorist to blow up, it would be the credit report bureaus. After that, it’s the ESPN Headquarters.

  263. Cameron Says:

    Oh, Brian. How in the hell were you our first draft pick?

  264. Cameron Says:

    Hm…

    Jered Weaver and Dan Haren are two of the best pitchers in the league right now.

    Jered Weaver is 5-0 with a 1.23 ERA. (With 39 Ks)
    Dan Haren is 4-0 with a 1.16 ERA.

    So, who do you think will be the better pitcher at the end of the season? Personally, I still love Dan Haren and he’s got it turned on right now. Sure, he’s not striking as many guys out as Weaver, but we all know Haren is a strikeout guy.

  265. John Says:

    “Meet me in Cooperstown in 2030 and we’ll talk. Until then, go wash your mouth out with soap.
    And Braun’s a jerk.”

    You think everyone under 30 is a jerk.

    Also, I said on track. Robin Yount was in his 8th season before he did anything like what Braun has done.

  266. John Says:

    “Could stats analysis have predicted the 1998 Yankees would win 114 games?”

    Baseball evens out in such a way that it’s never a smart bet to predict any team to win more than 100 games.

    But the short answer is…no.

    Jeter had been in the league 2 years with a pretty-good-for-a-young-SS line of .302/.370/.417. He then goes out and has his break-out season, hitting .324/.384/.481 with 200 hits and 30 SB’s.

    Scott Brosius played out of his mind that season, increasing his BA over 100 points. It was his only career season with 150+ games.

    Bernie Williams had been a very good CFer and hitter, but he certainly stepped it up a notch in ‘98, winning the batting title, and putting up a 160 OPS+

    David Wells had a career year as well. 18-4, 3.49, with a perfect game.

    Hideki Irabu pitched orders of magnitude better than he would ever pitch again. Ditto for El Duque.

    The Yankees got a full-season’s worth of plate appeareances between Strawberry and Raines, who combined for like a 120 OPS+. Bet that wasn’t in the plan.

    Martinez and O’Neill had typical Martinez and O’Neill seasons. Same with Cone and Rivera.

    Knoblauch and Pettitte had slight off-years, but hardly terrible.

    All, in all, pretty much everything went right. Not a lot of injuries, and several good players having great years.

  267. John Says:

    Actually, if you take 49 (what a hypothetical replacement team wins) and add the 1998 Yankees oWAR and dWAR, it comes out to 113 wins.

    Not too bad?

  268. Cameron Says:

    Protip: Watching your team play a road game at Arlington is gonna hurt.

  269. Cameron Says:

    Texas just hit their fifth homer. …I need a drink.

  270. John Says:

    “Actually, if you take 49 (what a hypothetical replacement team wins) and add the 1998 Yankees oWAR and dWAR, it comes out to 113 wins.

    Not too bad?”

    I meant oWAR + dWAR + pitching (pWar?)

  271. Cameron Says:

    What about Game War? GWAR.

    …Then again, maybe that’d be a bad stat to calculate. You really wanna share a name with these guys? http://issacharentertainment.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2008/01/gwar1.jpg

  272. John Says:

    1 farking game after signing that extension, Ryan Braun is 3-4 with a walk, 3-r homer, and 2 runs scored.

    In less awesome news, Weeks left the game with an injured hand.

    He missed almost all of 2009 with that injury.

  273. Cameron Says:

    Ryan Braun will be receiving 18 million dollars in deferred payments after the extension through 2031, or in other words, the Brewers will keep sending him checks until he’s 47.

  274. Raul Says:

    Good deal if you can get it.

  275. Raul Says:

    It’s the 7th inning and the brewers have scored in every one of them except the 1st.

  276. John Says:

    Yeah, I mean you figure the Brewers are just gonna have to do that if they wanna stay competitive.

    I would contend that this means basically nothing for Fielder. Braun was locked up through 2015 anyway (for a BARGAIN, by the way), so the Brewers could still potentially offer Fielder a 4-year contract and change nothing.

    Another possible suitor that I hadn’t been considering is the Mariners. Mariners GM Jack Z was the Brewers scouting director when Fielder was drafted & coming up. The Mariners have money to spend…and they desperately need offense.

    Also, he could DH there.

    I’ll vomit my lungs out if he signs with the Cubs though.

  277. John Says:

    Raul,

    This was Gallardo’s 3rd straight crappy start, but at least today he’s in line to get the win. At least he racked up 7 K’s in the process.

  278. Raul Says:

    Maybe Fielder wants to get out of Milwaukee though.

  279. Raul Says:

    Yeah Gallardo has screwed me today. Plus Chacin took the loss against Florida.

    I was thinking…hmm…what’s the safer pick? Ian Kennedy against Cincinnati…or…Jhoulys Chacin against Florida.

    Obviously I made a mistake.

  280. John Says:

    Oh…I think I would’ve made the same call.

  281. Cameron Says:

    Chacin didn’t look bad, he just went up against a truly outstanding Anibal Sanchez tonight.

  282. Cameron Says:

    Damn, you know the Mets are in bad shape when people are saying David Wright could get them the best deal of anyone they trade and it’s something worth looking at doing.

  283. Lefty33 Says:

    “Bullshit.

    If he’s fine to pitch, he’s fine for the duration of the game.”

    OK there Boy Scout.

    If we lived in a perfect world where guys always told the truth about how they feel and if multi-millions of dollars were not on the line then maybe you’re right.

    But considering his age, along with him already having had a few issues with his back in his career, and the Phillies need for pitching with their mediocre offense in this day and age no manager wanting to keep his job would have put Oswalt out there any longer than necessary.

    Sorry Raul but bullshit on you.

    This isn’t 1970, it’s 2011 and if there is an extra one thousandith of a percent of risk to a guy that he might tweak something or miss time with something that could have been prevented then he needs to get pulled and Charlie would no doubt do it the same way every time.

  284. Cameron Says:

    He would’ve needed 150 pitches to get through the game at the rate he was going at, and realistically, more.

    100 is the point where I start worrying about a guy, 130 is pushing it, 150 is Edwin Jackson throwing a no-hitter with more walks than Nolan Ryan threw in his career.

    There’s riding your horse and then there’s riding your horse into the ground.

  285. Raul Says:

    I don’t think Adrian Gonzalez should bat 3rd anymore.

  286. Bob Says:

    The Yankees designated Jose Ortegano for assignment, the Braves are going to sign Ben Swaggerty, and the Rockies acquired Brad Emaus. Have a great Easter you guys. See you on Monday.

  287. Raul Says:

    You too, Bob.

    And Ben Swaggerty is a made-up name.

  288. Jim Says:

    Today’s the 73rd anniversary of Ted Williams’ first major league home run. It was against the A’s, off Bud Thomas in the first inning. Williams’ rookie numbers: .327/.436/.609, 44 doubles, 11 triples, 31 homers, 107 walks and 145 RBIs.

  289. Raul Says:

    That’s obscene, Jim.

  290. Jim Says:

    And he wasn’t even rooking of the year. Of course there was no ROY award till 1947(?). Career OPB .482, that’s sick.

  291. Jim Says:

    Dice-K 8 innings, 0 runs, 1 hit, 9K, 3BB. Consecutive excellent outings, pigs fly.

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