5 Reasons Why Brewers Should Pursue Reyes, not Fielder

by JohnBowen

Following the Brewers defeat in the National League Championship Series, team owner Mark Attanasio vowed that the Brewers would be “participating in the sweepstakes” for All-Star first baseman Prince Fielder, who has entered the free agent market this season after six full seasons as the Milwaukee Brewers’ first baseman.

Prince Fielder has been everything that the Brewers hoped he would be when they drafted him with their first pick in the 2002 draft. Critics claimed that Fielder (mainly because of his weight) would never become an effective every-day first baseman, but Prince proved them wrong, earning two National League Silver Sluggers, three all-star selections, five straight 30-homer seasons, and the distinction of becoming the youngest player to ever hit 50 home runs in a season. Before Prince suited up as a Brewer, the team hadn’t had a winning season since 1992; since he entered the heart of the order, they have made the playoffs twice – something that seemed in possible when he was drafted in the middle of a 106-loss season.

At just 27 years old, Prince Fielder has done pretty much everything imaginable to secure himself a long-term, 9-figure deal. The Milwaukee Brewers, however, should thank Prince for his hard work and dedication to the team, and pursue another star this off-season: former Mets all-star shortstop Jose Reyes. Here’s why:

#1: Reyes Represents a Greater Value – for the Brewers

Prince Fielder is the odds-on favorite to out-perform Jose Reyes in terms of production in upcoming years.

But when building a roster, placement in the MVP voting is hardly relevant.

Going off of the 2011 roster, Jose Reyes wouldn’t replace Prince Fielder so much as he would replace former Brewers shortstop Yuniesky Betancourt. And Fielder wouldn’t be replaced by Reyes, but rather long-time prospect Mat Gamel.

Mat Gamel won’t come close to matching Prince’s production, but he is coming off of back-to-back solid years at AAA, hitting .309/.387/.511 for the Nashville Sounds in 2010 and .310/.372/.540 in 2011. An inability to field the hot corner kept him in the minors, but with Prince out of the picture, he can finally bring his bat to the big leagues, full-time.

Jose Reyes, meanwhile, would represent an enormous upgrade over Yuniesky Betancourt who put up a pathetic .271 on-base percentage last year and is widely accepted as one of the very worst players in baseball. Reyes won the batting crown in 2011 (albeit through questionable means), has stolen 30 or more bases six times, and is known for solid defense up the middle. In short, he’s everything Yuni isn’t.

Neither Gamel nor Reyes will replace the production of Fielder – but combined, they should replace and even exceed the aggregate production of Fielder and Betancourt.

#2: Reyes will be Cheaper

Projections have Prince Fielder making at least 20 and possibly 25 million dollars per year on whatever his new contract ends up becoming. A small-market team, the Brewers must be weary of committing too much of their payroll to a single player; Brewers General Manager Doug Melvin knows this, having seen his former owner in Texas, Tom Hicks, unilaterally commit well over a quarter of the Rangers payroll to one player, Alex Rodriguez. Jose Reyes – who made 4.5 million less than Prince Fielder in 2011 – will probably be looking at a new contract in the range of 15-18 million dollars per year, limited somewhat by his injury past (an issue Prince Fielder doesn’t have, missing just 12 games in 6 seasons).

While this certainly isn’t cheap, it’s certainly manageable for the Brewers.

In 2011, the Brewers spent 15.5 million on Fielder, and 4 million on shortstop Yuniesky Betancourt. In theory, that means that 19.5 million dollars can be spent on those two positions; with Fielder’s heir apparent, Mat Gamel, set to make the league minimum salary in 2011, this means that the Brewers have around 19 million dollars per year to theoretically spend on Jose Reyes (assuming no major additions elsewhere).

#3: Reyes Will Require Fewer Years

Prince Fielder is looking at up to an eight-year deal this off-season. If he gets it, wonderful – he’s done absolutely everything to earn it.

With the big money set to kick in on MVP candidate Ryan Braun in 2016, the Brewers need to be thinking about shorter term deals while their super-star is still a bargain.

Jose Reyes’s injury issues certainly make him a huge potential risk, but they also reduce his likely contract-length to around four or five years, a far less overwhelming commitment than what Prince Fielder will command.

#4: Reyes Would Provide a More Balanced Lineup

Ever since the departure of Paul “The Ignitor” Molitor, the Brewers have been searching for a true lead-off man, who can reach base at a decent clip and utilize his speed ahead of the big boppers. They’ve gotten solid individual seasons out of Fernando Vina (1998) and Scott Podsednik (2003), but for the most part, a conventional lead-off man has been missing.

Jose Reyes not only solves that problem, but he enables Ron Roenicke to use the two power-hitters who set the table in 2011 – Corey Hart and Rickie Weeks – down to a more natural spot at the heart of the order to protect Ryan Braun – and make pitchers pay for pitching around the Brewers sluggers slugger without fear of Fielder-esque retribution.

#5: Reyes Would Improve Team Defense

Despite winning the National League Central crown in 2011, the Brewers infield featured minus fielders at all four infield positions. Prince Fielder did a lot for the team, but no one was going to mistake him for Keith Hernandez with the glove. Meanwhile, Betancourt demonstrated lackluster range and made a pair of costly errors in the NLCS against the Cardinals.

Jose Reyes represents a significant upgrade at the most important infield position, and while Mat Gamel has had his defensive struggles at third, he has greater mobility than Fielder and will likely represent an upgrade as well, once he has gained experience at first base.

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87 Responses to “5 Reasons Why Brewers Should Pursue Reyes, not Fielder”

  1. Hossrex Says:

    I can get behind this.

    Its easy to think along the lines of “replacing a player”… when it’s ALWAYS a hell of a lot cheaper to “replace production”. Fielder is a damn fine ball player, but if you look at it along the lines of replacing not Little Cecil, but as replacing your first baseman, third baseman, and shortstop… all of a sudden you can find just as many times on base… and probably just as many extra base hits… for a lot closer to the league minimum than a NINE FIGURE contract.

    On top of that… I like Prince Fielder… but I don’t LIKE LIKE him. The guy is going to have one of those Ken Griffey Jr-esque 30’s… except… ya know… for completely different reasons.

    He’ll probably be more like Pops than he’d like.

  2. Hossrex Says:

    And I don’t mean Fucking Stargel.

  3. Cameron Says:

    How much must it suck being Cecil Fielder? He watched his kid hit third in his team’s lineup by age 22. When Cecil was 22, he was riding the pine in Toronto. …And then rode the pine for more years in Toronto. …Then went to Japan because no one wanted him.

    No wonder he was such a domineering asshole when it came to managing his son.

  4. Cameron Says:

    Well, Jose Reyes will be more cost-effective than Ryan Madson. He’s going back to Philly on a 4/$44MM deal.

    Four years… Forty-four million… Ryan Madson…

    The fuck are the guys in Philly smoking? Not only that, but since this was the first deal signed for a reliever, this is the deal that’s going to set the table for the offseason. You know what that means? Closers are gonna be making a boatload this year.

  5. Hossrex Says:

    Cameron: “The fuck are the guys in Philly smoking?”

    While not defending the principle… they might be thinking that they’ve established a very firm reputation of being “The Yankees of the National League”, and once you get there a 85 win season all of a sudden starts holding the air of insufficiency. So… you kow-tow to John Kruk and Steve Lyons by overpaying for speed, defense, and familiar/popular names.

    Those players have a stronger hand than the typical free agent, while simultaneously given more leeway from the fanbase when they underperform (at least to a degree).

    So they have a value based on a flawed perception… which means the Phillies would probably be better served by shaking things up dramatically over the next few years, and fill in the gaps with as many new/cheaper players as possible, or they’ll wind up with a team full of 40 year old’s averaging 15 mil per year… or… ya know… the Yankees.

    Any general manager who pays more than 2 million dollars a year for a one dimensional relief pitcher is making a mistake… any general manager who gives a one dimensional relief pitcher eight figures per year should be fired, and blacklisted from baseball.

  6. Chuck Says:

    Reyes reportedly has agreed to a contract with the Marlins, announcement could come as early as today.

  7. Jim Says:

    John, you’ve built a good case and swapping Fielder/Betancourt for Reyes/Gamel, should make the Brewers a better team.

  8. JohnBowen Says:

    @6, oh boy. That would render my article kinda pointless, wouldn’t it?

    If the Marlins already snagged Reyes, it would mean that they probably offered him way more than I thought would ever be on the table.

    Is he getting Crawford money? That would be kinda nuts for someone injured as often as he has been.

    Of course, Crawford money is a little nuts for a LFer who has never hit more than 20 HR in a season nor reached base at a .400 clip…but I digress.

  9. Raul Says:

    Well, it’s gonna suck today.
    BUT AT LEAST I’M NOT GETTING SMALLPOX.

  10. Cameron Says:

    So… Does Hanley move to second or third?

  11. John Says:

    I had gotten the impression that Hanley had improved to passable at SS.

    It seems like a weird thing to do for the Marlins. Seems like they’ve got other holes to address.

  12. Cameron Says:

    And holy shit, I found out how I went 8-1 in my fantasy football league without even actively being part of the league. My opponents are a perfect synchronicity of suck. See, a lot of my guys already had their bye weeks, so through bad luck I’m only seventh in the league in points scored. …Out of ten.

    But I’m first in points against. …By a margin of over 150. Talk about your dumb luck.

  13. John Says:

    Good thing your fantasy football team pitched to the score!

    :D

  14. Cameron Says:

    They do, mainly pitching. However, you gotta admit that Marlins lineup looks pretty goddamn scary now.

    …Plus, it was probably done for new stadium ticket revenues. Can’t really blame ‘em for that. Gotta spend money to make money.

  15. John Says:

    Cam,

    My team, just for shits:

    QB – Rivers
    WR – Holmes
    WR – Marshall
    WR – J. Jones (ATL)
    RB – Rice
    RB – McCoy
    TE – Graham
    K – Novak (SD)
    DEF/ST – NYJ

    Bench – Wayne, Moore, Tebow (great in fantasy), CIN D/ST, Keller

    I’m spot-starting Miami’s D/ST this week against the Redskins, cuz that might be the most anemic offense ever.

  16. Cameron Says:

    I can do you one better. Pittsburgh’s D against the Bengals this week.

    Shut down the Dalton-to-Green connection and that team is beyond fucked.

  17. Cameron Says:

    And Tebow’s your bench QB? I had Jay Cutler and he was better.

    …Then I dropped him for Matt Schaub. Vick and Schaub as a QB combo is beyond unfair. I’ve got guaranteed 20 points a week right there.

  18. John Says:

    I’ve started Tebow twice, and both times it was the right call.

    His week by week #’s: 17, 22, 14, 25

    Fantasy is really friendly to rushing QB’s.

    “Then I dropped him for Matt Schaub. Vick and Schaub as a QB combo is beyond unfair. I’ve got guaranteed 20 points a week right there.”

    Vick is 20 pts. With Johnson hurt, Schaub has mostly been using his running game. Last week, Foster AND Tate both had over 100 yards rushing.

  19. Cameron Says:

    Got Foster, ended up dropping Tate after I picked him up because I needed a defense for next week when Pittsburgh’s on bye.

    …Managed to score the Giants somehow.

  20. Cameron Says:

    So John, Rollins or bust then?

  21. brautigan Says:

    While Hanley improved significantly at shortstop, I think he regressed quite a bit last year.

    If I remember correctly, Chuck predicted Ramirez would go to CF. I think that is quite plausible now.

  22. brautigan Says:

    Diamondbacks re-sign Willie Bloomquist for 2 years. Did they NOT read Bill James comments on Enos Cabell? What a waste…

    Bloomquist can play multiple positions, all badly.

  23. Jim Says:

    Seems to be a bit gun jumping in the Reyes to Miami talk, but the Marlins’ seem serious about him.

  24. Lefty33 Says:

    @ 4 – Actually it makes perfect sense.

    What it signals is that Amaro is not likely committed to upgrading as much as people thought he would offensively at 3B, LF, or with the bench and that he is literally going to double-down on his strategy of 100% pitching all of the time.

    As for what Hoss said in #5, the answer to that is it depends on what Montgomery will allow the payroll situation to be longterm.

    If the Phillies are only spending this kind of money now because they see their window ending in three or four years then that’s one thing.

    But if they plan on being like the Yankees where they will likely never win a WS but at least they spend enough to be a perennial playoff team then that’s another story.

  25. Cameron Says:

    Ryan Madson doing his body weight in steroids isn’t worth 11 million, and this guy’s fucking up the relief market for everyone.

  26. Bob Says:

    How is he fucking it up? He and Papelbon are/were supposed to set the bar. And Philly knows that the big-market Sox have been linked to Madson, and Philly is a decent-sized market itself. Nothing outlandish

  27. Cameron Says:

    …Eleven million dollars for Ryan fucking Madson. Papelbon was supposed to set the market along with Heath Bell, maybe even K-Rod. You know, actual closers, not guys who got the job because an actual closer forgot how to pitch.

    I wouldn’t even say Paps is worth eleven on his best day, but Madson is setting precedent for this market for relievers to be long-term and high-cost. This is gonna hurt teams. A lot.

  28. Raul Says:

    Closers are the punters of MLB and should be paid accordingly.

  29. Bob Says:

    Papelbon got his job because Johnny from Burger King forgot how to pitch.

  30. Cameron Says:

    I can understand some closers being paid a lot. Mariano Rivera? Jonathon Papelbon? Yeah.

    Ryan Madson? Fuck off. He’s a setup man who got lucky.

  31. Cameron Says:

    Bob, let’s be fair, Keith Foulke always sucked.

  32. Bob Says:

    Actually, has Madson even signed??? Blaming or praising before a deal is done??? Well then, my bad for responding.

  33. Raul Says:

    No closers should be paid a lot.
    Ever.

    What’s an average closer pitch? 70 innings a season?
    12 innings a month?
    3 innings a week?

    THREE INNINGS A WEEK!!!!

    Usually with no runners on base.

    They should feel lucky to get the Major League Minimum.

    Either make closers go 2-3 innings. Or let them pitch 1 inning, cut their salaries, remove the DH and spend that money on starting pitching and quality utility players.

  34. Bob Says:

    ” Remove the DH.” Raul, Sparky Anderson and I love you for that.

  35. Cameron Says:

    I don’t. I think watching pitchers try to hit is about as exciting as watching paint dry.

  36. Raul Says:

    So what you’re saying, Cambodia, is that baseball will be less exciting if they remove the DH.

    Really…

  37. Cameron Says:

    Yeah. Pitchers can’t hit, pure and simple.

  38. brautigan Says:

    Cameron:

    Try telling that to Wes Ferrell (he hit more homeruns than his catching brother, Rick), Warren Spahn, Don Drysdale, Micah Owings, Rick Ankiel and Carlos Zambrano.

    One of the reasons pitchers look silly swinging a bat is for the past 37 years, there has been less and less emphasis for pitchers to learn to hit. Prior to the DH, the only two pitchers I recall looking silly trying to hit were Bob Buhl (and for some really odd reason) Sandy Koufax.

  39. Jim Says:

    If Madson got 44 for 4, what’s Pap worth?

    Madson 9 seasons

    Saves 52 Yes a shitty stat but what closers are for
    Whip – 1.294
    k/9 – 7.8
    W/9 2.7

    Pap 7 seasons
    Saves – 219
    Whip – 1.018
    K/9 – 10.7
    W/9 – 2.4

    Phillies greatly overpaid.

  40. Jim Says:

    Earl Wilson was fun to watch hit, made Dustin Pedroia’s swing look compact, but he was a good hitter as a pitcher.

  41. Cameron Says:

    Thank you, Jim, for proving that Madson isn’t worth eleven fucking million.

  42. Raul Says:

    You know you’re going way back when you start mentioning guys named “Earl”.

    When’s the last time you met an Earl?
    Probably the same time you ran into a Agatha and Bootsy.

  43. Chuck Says:

    Cameron’s a Royals fan..he’s used to them running out a batting order of nine pitchers every day.

  44. Cameron Says:

    No, I’m used to eight pitchers and one guy who can hit. For some reason, we always have one guy on the team who’s competent.

  45. Bob Says:

    His name is Hosmer.

  46. brautigan Says:

    His other name is Gordon.

  47. brautigan Says:

    Apparently Raul, you haven’t been to Eastern Oregon. Pearl, Opal and Melba are still popular names. :)

  48. Bob Says:

    You know, I was thinking about doing an article on the Twins with their new GM, but after looking at the A.L. Central for next year ( albeit very briefly) I came to the conclusion that it will come down to the Royals and Tigers. ( And that I really have no idea what the Twins should do.)
    Granted, I did not spend much time on the process, but yeah, Cameron, you guys will have more than 1 solid hitter in 2012.

  49. Cameron Says:

    Actually, for the past few years his name’s been Billy Butler. Alex Gordon was a bust for years and Eric Hosmer just rolled around.

    But yeah, next year’s looking promising. I still think the Tigers are gonna win because we’re still a green team, but this is about the time I can see the turnaround coming.

  50. Raul Says:

    If Adam Dunn had an Adam Dunn season, the White Sox would have been right in the thick of the postseason race.

  51. Mike Felber Says:

    How about my beloved Avatar. 2517 PA. a 76 OPS +. That is the level of many traditional no hit middle infielders! And better than some (like Larry Bowa, 71). And the highest BA ever for a pitcher, .433. Even on B-R.com he added 13 points on offensive WAR. He once finished 3rd in a distance fungo hitting contest. Ruth won.

  52. Jim Says:

    Let’s see Agatha, in the early ‘oughts’ when I lived in StL, at my local, there was a comely lass with a eye catching tush, who had been given that name by her parents. And as I recall a neighbor, named a then, new born daughter Agatha, so the name is coming back.

    Bootsy, I’ll need to go back to my mother’s cousin, who if she is still alive, will be near 90.

    Lots of Earls in the south also.

    The Twins are a mess, their core got old fast, due to injury and the farm system stopped producing, add to that the lousy trades made by Bill Smith, starting with not getting at least one all star caliber player out of the Santana deal. I really don’t see how that team is going to do a quick turn around and contend in the next 2-3 years.

    I expect the Tigers to win again in the Central, but I hope the Royals make a solid run at it and stay in contention deep into September.

    Fearless prediction, Adam Dunn is uh, done.

  53. Lefty33 Says:

    “Ryan Madson? Fuck off. He’s a setup man who got lucky.”

    Apparently you didn’t watch him pitch this year or last year.

  54. Cameron Says:

    I’m not saying he’s bad. The guy’s been pretty good. He ain’t worth eleven million goddamn dollars a year.

  55. Lefty33 Says:

    “Eleven million dollars for Ryan fucking Madson. Papelbon was supposed to set the market along with Heath Bell, maybe even K-Rod. You know, actual closers, not guys who got the job because an actual closer forgot how to pitch.”

    The problem with that argument is that Bell is 34 and the chances of him still being effective at the end of a three year or four year contract are much smaller.

    Bell also only became a closer at 31 so it’s not like he’s Rivera who’s been doing it since the start of his career. For the first five years of his career he was a “meh” pitcher at best. (Just like Madson except that Madson is younger.)

    The reason why Jim’s argument in #39 is not a far description of things is that other than three appearances in his first season Papelbon has always been a closer.

    Madson was a starter, then a middle reliever, then a long reliever, then the 7th inning guy, then the 8th inning guy, and finally last year the closer.

    Madson has been putting up better numbers every season since becoming a late inning reliever.

    If they are indeed paying 11 million a year is it an overpay? No doubt but over the life of that deal if I’m Amaro I’ll pay that to Madson before Bell in a heartbeat.

  56. Jim Says:

    The history of closers, and relievers in general, is that they are wildly erratic year to year. They can string together 2-3 good seasons and then follow that up with 2-3 of crap and then maybe they are good again. What makes Rivera great and also Pap to a lesser extent is that the annual deviation in their performance is small and that performance is at a high level.

    Players like that are a high risk when handing out big dollar, multi year deals.

  57. Jim Says:

    “Players like that are a…”

    referring to closers and relievers in general and not Mo or Pap who have shown themselves to be consistently good.

  58. Lefty33 Says:

    @ 57 – I agree with you that they have.

    I just think that Amaro made it clear that they were going to overpay for a closer and I think he made the right choice with Madson.

    Personally I don’t care for Papelbon’s antics but I agree that with the exception of ‘10 he’s been very good and very consistent.

    Cliché time: The devil you know is better than the one you don’t.

    That very well may have been been Amaro’s thinking coupled with the fact that Papelbon has got his heat and not much else where as Madson’s pitch is his change plus 95 MPH heat and the thinking could be that long term if Papelbon loses some velocity what else does he really have?

    Where as with Madson maybe he could try and emulate with Hoffman did and stay relevant longer.

  59. Cameron Says:

    Five bucks says no one else was gonna offer Madson more than six mil a year.

  60. Lefty33 Says:

    I’ll admit I thought the contract value was a bit much myself.

    I was thinking more like 4/32 than 4/44.

  61. Jim Says:

    Late yesterday, there was a note on a Boston baseball blog that the Phillies ownership had not signed off on the Madson deal and speculation from Phillies observers that perhaps the offer is being reconsidered. It would be highly unusual to pull back the offer, you piss off the player and undercut the GM.

    Frankly 16 for 2 makes the only sense, anything more is over paying. Its not the $11M for a single season that is out of line, it is that amount for multiple years.

  62. Lefty33 Says:

    “that the Phillies ownership had not signed off on the Madson deal”

    There’s only one guy in Philly who controls the purse strings and that’s David Montgomery. Other than him everybody else who is listed as part of Phillies ownership is passive and normally are not involved much in baseball decisions.

  63. Raul Says:

    Anyone offers a reliever more than 3 million dollars, he should take it and run.

  64. Raul Says:

    How much of a difference does Jose Reyes make?
    Would he make the Marlins NL East favorites?

  65. Lefty33 Says:

    No one is taking Philly out next year.

    They still have too much pitching and what they have of their core, while comprimised, is still enough to beat Florida and Atlanta just like this year.

  66. Lefty33 Says:

    Just read a story in the Philly Inquirer about Madson and it said the deal is 4 years for 44 million with a mutual option for a 5th at 13 bringing the total possible value of the deal to 5/59.

    The deal is currently on hold as Amaro/Boras/Madson have all agreed to it but David Montgomery needs to sign off and approve it and that has not happened yet.

    Supposedly the hang up is not the money but is Montgomery’s usual insistence that pitchers contracts do not go past three years.

  67. Lefty33 Says:

    The article also said that if Madson’s deal turns messy they have been speaking with Papelbon as recently as a few days ago and with Cordero and that they are not interested in Bell.

    In ‘05 the Phillies could have resigned Wagner but Montgomery and Gillick refused to give him a 4th guaranteed year and he left and went to NY so it will be interesting as to how it plays out.

    I have no problem with Madson getting four years but I think the $$$ needs to be less as that’s a lot of risk for a closer or really for almost any pitcher.

    The 11 miilion per number really should be for a lesser number of years if they are going to go that high but then again Boras has done his usual great job of marketing his guy as being with the elite closers, oxymoron I know, and I can’t imagine Bell or Papelbon getting any less this offseason.

  68. John Says:

    @64, we’re talking about a 30-win difference between the Marlins and Phillies in 2011.

    So…no way.

  69. Bob Says:

    Rank these oxymorons:

    1. Jumbo Shrimp
    2. Civil War
    3. Elite Closers

  70. Lefty33 Says:

    1.Closers

    2.War

    3.Shrimp

    Elite closer is always the most absurd.

  71. Raul Says:

    Really?

    You’re trying to slyly use WAR as a reason why Jose Reyes won’t make the Marlins favorites?

    I don’t think Reyes makes the Marlins favorites. But I’m not going to insinuate 1 player making up 30 wins as being the reason. That’s just fcking stupid. For too many damn reasons.

  72. John Says:

    You asked a question.

    I gave an answer.

    If Jose Reyes could magically add 30 wins to a team’s total, then every single team in baseball would try to sign him.

  73. Raul Says:

    That’s not how projections work, and you know it.

  74. Mike Felber Says:

    Basketball must allow more WAR IN PROPORTION to their # of games, given just 5 starters. Though sub time would make it closer than might at 1st appear.

  75. Raul Says:

    Whatever. We agree.

    I’ll take it.

  76. Raul Says:

    The NBA is terrible and should go away. Permanently.
    The I’ve seen far better fundamentals in the European leagues.

  77. Chuck Says:

    I’m still waiting for the definition of what makes a “replacement” player.

    What’s his BA? OBP? ERA? WHIP?

    And how can OPS+ or ERA+ be relevant when it’s based on park factors, when the park factors have nothing to do with the park, but with the performance of the people who play in them?

    There’s this new saber slanted show on MLBNetwork hosted by Brian Kenny…”Clubhouse Confidential”

  78. Bob Says:

    Spot on @76. I am done with the sport. Thankfully I never really started it.

  79. brautigan Says:

    I was a huge NBA fan back in the 60’s, 70’s, and early 80’s.

    Then the NBA became “another Boring affair”. And put the emphasis on BORING.

  80. Jim Says:

    Pap to the Phillies, $50M for 4 plus a vesting option for a fifth. At least that is what is being reported.

  81. Raul Says:

    Can’t wait for him to blow a save and see “Pap Smear” on the cover of the Philadelphia Inquirer.

  82. Cameron Says:

    Oh… Just had to grab the low-hanging fruit, huh Raul?

  83. Hossrex Says:

    Exhibit A that the statistics of a relief pitcher should never be compared to that of a starter:

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/bradfch01.shtml

    Take a look at Chad Bradford… and look at his 500 innings as if it were two complete years as a starter.

    Chad Bradford’s 256 inning average (we do the 162 game average for batters… so why not?)
    18 wins – 14 losses
    3.26 ERA, ERA+ 138
    1.288 WHIP
    H/9: 9.2
    HR/9: 0.5
    BB/9: 2.4
    K/9: 5.5
    SO/BB: 2.28

    Now… for the lulz…

    Greg Maddux 162 game average (not 100% the same thing as Bradford’s 256 inning average, but I’m not going to do math for what amounts to a joke point):

    16 wins – 10 losses
    3.16 ERA, ERA+ 132
    1.143 WHIP
    H/9: 8.5
    HR/9: 0.6
    BB/9: 1.8
    K/9: 6.1
    K/BB: 3.37

    So… thus… either Chad Bradford belongs in the Hall of Fame, or relief pitchers are a joke, their stats are meaningless, and the lowest paid starter should make twice as much as the highest paid reliever.

    My logic being that if the best relief pitcher were better than the worst starter, the General Manager who’s using that better pitcher in fewer innings should be fired… and even the BEST relief pitcher pitches around HALF of what would be considered the MINIMUM acceptable number of innings for a starter (around 80 for the good reliever, around 160 for the shitty starter).

    So… the worst is better than the best… and twice as often at that.

    Hear that Omar Minaya? Suck a dick.

  84. kmcolejazz Says:

    Relievers ARE failed starters-by nature. Heck, I’m a Cardinals fan, and our current closer is a failed CATCHER!

    I’ve always wanted to see a power pitcher like Ryan, Johnson, Clemens, or Smoltz see if they could hang on as a closer into their 50s.

  85. Raul Says:

    Ramos was kidnapped in Venezuela yet said the abductors were Colombians — based on their accents.

    Word is that at least one had ties to paramilitary groups.

    In the past, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez claimed Colombian paramilitary groups were covertly passing into Venezuela and enacting operations that might make Venezuela look like terrorists. I don’t know about that, but it seems he was right about there being an illegal Colombian presence in Venezuela that is tied to FARC and other groups.

    Ramos is just 24 years old. Fortunately he was unharmed.

  86. Hossrex Says:

    I’m probably just (honestly) regurgitating the US foreign policy… but isn’t Chavez a nutter?

  87. John Says:

    The Marlins have extended a 6 year, 90 million dollar offer to Reyes.

    That’s a lot of years, but only 15M per year. If I’m the Brewers, I would absolutely counter with 18M per year and 4 years. That would leave Reyes with 72M after his age 31 season with a much better chance of signing another lucrative deal than if he became a FA after his age 33 season.

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